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Ballon d´Or 2006 - Cannavaro Ballon D'or

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PLF said:
In my opinion, none of them really make much sense.

Some are better than others of course but at end of the day, most are:

1) Biased towards attacking. Which should NOT be the case. This is why you see outstanding strikers and #10's win these prizes more than GODLY defenders and GK's.

2) As we said, they're more of a popularity-contest than who was honestly the greatest and most consistent performer.

p.s. Isn't the Balon d'or voted by some journalists? :/

But anyways all that aside, like I said if Buffon really has won it, I'll be one f'n HAPPY MAN!!!
Wooooooohooooo!! I hope it's true. 8)

When will this news be official?
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I entirely agree PLF, just saying that at least Balon d'or > fifa awards. Yes Balon d'or is voted by French journalists.

Gerd has also made a good point in the past; individual awards in a teamsport are kind of nonsense.
 
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So any news on when this will become official so I can go ahead and celebrate an unbeliavble amazing player FINALLY getting the absolute world-wide recongition he deserves?

How reliable are the sources you've heard he's won from? Can I go ahead and keep this smile ---> :mrgreen: on my face for sure?

ni6htmare said:
I dont think a keeper should win this award.

The best goal keeper should go to Buffon in my opinion though, but the thing is, a player can change the whole game with individual efforts, even if the oppenent team is better, you can win with one of those players. Sure a keeper can keep like magic(like Buffon does so many times), but they have way less impact on the game than a great player has.
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I COMPLETELY disagree dude.

Sounds like you're one of those people whom UNDER-rates the role and importance of a great goalkeeper.

What you said and I bolded, I find completely false

So are you telling me in a match where your team is winning 1-0 but the opposition is hammering you and creating many great chances but unable to score because your goalkeeper seems to be have SUPER-human abilities and is saving them all, his impact is little or less than those great outfield players you mentioned? :-s

Why? He won you the game as well. He won you a game you should've easily lost but now have got 3 points from! He DID change the game!

It all depends on each individual match but many times not only has Buffon had the greatest impact not just in his OWN team but out of all 22 players on pitch individually but his impact has been more than most outfield players COMBINED!

Many times when his team would've lost 4-1 if they had another keeper (even decent one), he's kept a clean sheet and kept the other team out by making some unbeliable saves! :eek: so then Juve and Italy have actually won 1-0! Is that not impact? Is that not changing the game? :-s

That's doing MORE Than impact in fact and Buffon and many other great goalies have done this many times.

I don't see why a GREAT outfield player as you said has any more impact than a world-class goalie? :-s

What if the goalie makes 5 amazing saves which could've and should've probably resulted in goals? :-s

Unless that outfield player also makes 5 goals that game, I doubt you can say he has more impact.

Finally Buffon has played in Italian NT and Juve for many years both of which are filled with GREAT outfield players. Yet often and to this day, I see him as Juve and Italy's best player and absolute star!! and apparently so do many of the fans and Italians in general.

Why is that? IMPACT for the team! That's what it is!

If Buffon has had more impact on many matches he's played than any other player on the field, I don't know why he shouldn't deserve an award or has any less importance than a great outfield player like you were suggesting? :-s

My conclusion? Goalies especially great goalies ARE special. They can and DO change games often! It's just since it's not goals being SCORED or that #10 laying great looking through-balls which stay in memory for a long time as it's a beautiful moment, it's less noticable for some. They DO change matches. They DO Magic and they DO often have MOST impacts. So why can't you be the best player of Europe or world if you're a goalie?

For me it doesn't matter what position you play in the football field. Whether it's a striker who gets 30+ goals or a holding midfielder, a classy #10 playmaker or a central defender or even a great goalie. It's all about HOW MUCH they each give to the team! Whoever gives the most, IS the star and best player! And in many cases that's the goalies or defenders or DMF's.

So these players should be called "STAR" players and be reconigzed and given these awards just as often as any other position. (Whether it's more popular and fancied or less)

Your post almost reminded me of a post from one guy I read after WC who said Cannavaro shouldn't get the golden ball EVEN THOUGH he was amazing and MoM material in EVERY match. Had flawless tournament beacuse he's a CB!! :shock: :lol: :rolleyes: :lmao:

That was ridiculous. I didn't bother replying to him but it sure did make me laugh. :lol:
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But anyways, your case is different dude. Don't take this post the wrong way. I'm not having a go at you at all. I'm completely fine with your opinion being that way. :) I just didn't agree with you on this instance so I thought I'd get my points across in a short study break.

Take care pal.
 
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Great post @PLF agree with everything you said.
@Don Domineco Ballon d'or isn't voted by french journalists,it's a panel of journalist across Europe who vote.
 
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@PLF
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Well, I never said keepers didn't change games, or do magic. But just on another level than field players.

As a keeper, the only thing you HAVE to do, is NOT make any mistakes to be a good/trustfull goalie.All great saves are of course great, but it's not like, if you don't stop all penaltys or make magic saves every game, people are gonna think you're out of form.

As a player, especially when you're a great player, you have to give everything every match, you can't make any mistakes, you have to create chances, they want you to be THE man every game. And only a few players can keep up with this.

For me the best player that can keep up with that should win the price. Last year and the year before it was obvious that Ronaldinho was the best, we all knew he was gonna win. But somehow this year it's different, ok his WorldCup wasn't great, but they forget what he did for Barca throughout the whole year.

You notice how important he is right now, he's really not in form, and automatically, Barca isn't.

You can have a great team, but when(arguable) your (maybe 2, with Eto'o of course) best player miss his form, you know it's gonna be really hard.

The winner should be the most important factor(or one of the most..)
You dont need the best or one of the best keepers in the world, to be the best team in the world, or to win the Champions League.

Take Victor Valdes, I dont think many people would say he's one of the 5 top keepers in the world.(I do, but then again, I'm a Barca fanboy)
But yet Barca were the best last year.

A keeper can win/lose some points for you, but it's not like your team depends on your keeper EVERY GAME TO MAKE THOSE MAGIC SAVES.
(Though it's nice when you make a mistake as a defender, you have a keeper that can maybe save your asss with a great save of course.)

A keeper just isn't the most important factor in your team, and only those players should win it in my opinion.
 
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ni6htmare said:
@PLF
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Well, I never said keepers didn't change games, or do magic. But just on another level than field players.

A keeper just isn't the most important factor in your team, and only those players should win it in my opinion
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I'm not sure what you mean by another level but if by level you mean importance, then I'm saying I disagree. They are at LEAST just as important as any other player. At LEAST. In some cases, they are THE most important position on the football field.

ni6htmare said:
As a keeper, the only thing you HAVE to do, is NOT make any mistakes to be a good/trustfull goalie.All great saves are of course great, but it's not like, if you don't stop all penaltys or make magic saves every game, people are gonna think you're out of form.
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This just doesn't sound right to me dude. :-s

You can say the same about any position then. You can say as a defender for example, your only job is NOT to make mistakes and people will think you're a good trustworthy defender. :-s But is that true? No Not at all. You can be one of those players that makes very very few mistakes but still be called an 'avg' goalie or 'avg' defender because people rate you on how quality your 'reading of the game/anticipation', decision-making, tackling, marking, positioning, heading and jumping are just to name a few.

So you're not a GOOD goalie just because you don't make mistakes. You're a good or very good or world-class finally goalkeeper because you're making saves that are HARD to do and could and in many cases should become goals.

And it's not about what people think anyway. The fact is many of the saves that Buffon made every match SHOULD have been goals! They were shot or headed PERFECTLY into the corner of the goal with very good power and had it been a NON-worldclass goalie, the team would've conceded.

My point is, it's not about whether people think you're out of form or not. The fact is if Buffon didn't save those shots, his team would be drawing and losing some of those matches instead of winning, right? And is that not the point of professional football at this highest level? To be the best you can and to win as much as you can?

So if the team is getting wins THANKS to performances of Buffon like Juve have many times throughout past few years and Italy has as well or Chelsea is getting it thanks to performances of Cech, why are these perforamnces and saves LESS important than goals and assists made by likes of Eto'o and Ronaldinho and Lampard or Juve's own Trezeguet, Nedved and Del piero? :-s

THAT's my point! They AREN'T! They're JUST as important.

Why? Because they contributed just as much to the team getting the result as did those goals and assists and passes.

ni6htmare said:
You dont need the best or one of the best keepers in the world, to be the best team in the world, or to win the Champions League.

Take Victor Valdes, I dont think many people would say he's one of the 5 top keepers in the world.(I do, but then again, I'm a Barca fanboy)
But yet Barca were the best last year.
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But this isn't just about keepers ni6htmare.

Barca won last year because overall they had the best team. They were nearly world-class in every single area/position in my opinion except the goalkeeping department. You're right. Not many people think he's world-class and I don't either. I think he's a GOOD goalie (Not bad but nothing great) stuck in a world-class team.

But the problem is, what you've just said isn't JUST about goalies. It applies to other positions too.
You also don't absolutely need every single one of your strikers to be truly world-class to win the league or CL IF your manager is world-class and EVERY OTHER part of the team. You also probably don't need the world's best left-back or right midfielder or any individual position to win the championship and be the best.

Do you see my point? If every part of your team is world-class and one part is 'GOOD' let's just say. Not great but good enough. You still CAN become the champs and that's why Barca did it last year. Victor Valdes didn't have to be world-class or amazing, because the rest of the team including defenders like Marquez and Puyol were AMAZING!

But you can't take this one case or few others and generalize importance of ALL goalkeepers and their perforamnces because Victor Valdes isn't extremely important to Barca. In many teams like in case of Chelsea/Czech republic and Juve/Italy despite these 4 being world-class teams, their GK is Soooooooooooo GREAT that he IS one of their best players and therefore IS EXTREMELY important/relied on and expected to BE THE MAN as you pointed for outfield players. ;)

So in conclusion, I'd like to say, I SEE your point and what you're trying to say. But in my opinion, the mistake you're making is seeing ALL the goalkeepers and their importance level through the same perspective that you see Ajax and Barca's GK's (Neither of which are one of the world's best or world-class in my opinion though they do have good potential) which shouldn't be the case because in these two teams and several others, the GK's DONT play as big of a role as do the Eto'o and Ronaldinhos, yes. But in MANY other cases, they DO and in Buffon's case, he DOES! That's why he IS one of the best and most important in HIS team and therefore there is no problem with a player AS IMPORTANT as him or having AS MUCH impact as him being Europe or world's BEST player for me. :)

Take care buddy.
It's been nice talking to you.

Gotta go now.
 
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Lev Yashin
Frank Borghi
Amadeo Carrizo
Jose Luis Chilavert
Rogerio Ceni
Gianluigi Buffon
Dino Zoff
Peter Schmeichel
Gordon Banks

These keepers single handedly turned games around constantly. If not from their superb blocking skills, through incredible free kicks.
Yes, I know most are retired, but their significance in the game cannot be understated.

I could go on and on, but PLF has said everything I could think of saying :)
 
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@PLF

Well for me it stays the same, of course in the cases of Chelsea/Czech Juve/Italy their keeper is really important, but for me not the most important one. Maybe if he stops a penalty and makes great saves to save a point or to win 3 points for his team, he can be the best and most important one for a day, but for me you can't say a keeper is your most important thing in your whole team.

Most of the times I think keepers are underrated, when a team wins a game 1-0 and the keeper was great, people forget it could easily be 1-4(just look at the Champions League finaly of last season, Barca won 2-1, but if Victor Valdes didn't make some of those saves, it COULD be 1-4 if you just look at some of Henry's chances) And this happens more of course, but people tend to forget the keeper.

But in this case I think they overrating the importance of the keepers of little. And Buffon is great, but it's not even sure he's the best keeper in the world, then why should we say he's the best of the best this year, for me a bit too much.

Maybe time to stop about this, don't think we ever gonna agree on this one:lol:
cya
 
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Definately agree with PLF,

just one example for you to think about - Imagine how many games Brad Friedel has won/saved for Blackburn? Too many and that is why he is one of the most important players in that team.

For me Goalies,Defenders & DMF's will never get the credit they deserve as people like skill and want the 'Ronaldinho's' of this world to win the award.

I reckon Buffon deserves the award because when Italy needed him the most in the biggest event of the world, he was there making cruical saves and maybe won the world cup for Italy (with Fabio). This was in a game where it was very tight and any goal could make a difference, It was a game where the keepers came out on top.
 
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i would say terry because i can't remeber him making a mistake in defence last season he was the best defender and never put a foot wrong like and in the world cup he played good for example when he cleared the ball of the line against trinidad and tobago. if it was anyone else it would have to be fabregas or lehmann as last season we started to see a anoter form of veira in fabregas maybe better in my opinion and remeber how many games lehmann went in the champions league without conceding and his last minute penalty save against riquelme in the cl semi final and that penalty shootout for germany in the world cup against argentina {but they will probaly give it to the obivious like henry or ronaldinho}
 
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ThomasGOAL said:
Buffon is racist ???
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unfortunately yes :(
he is fascist and if you want you can ask some italian why did he use to wear the number 88 .
he , materrazi and others are in the "extreme right" (don't know if you say that in english) .
don't tell "he was getting well along with thuram so he's not racist" you can see also di canio with some black players so what .
but I understand your reaction PLF , I had exactly the same .I really didn't want to believe it myself .
PLF said:
@pogoss, I don't believe Buffon is racist. What makes you think so? :-s
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You have to understand what extreme right in Italy is. Di Canio's type of fascism is not racism, it is extreme nationalism and anti communist. Just because Buffon is apparently a supporter of the extreme right it doesnt mean he is a racist. Many Italians are extreme right or simply right wing as they oppose the strong socialist support in Italy... its also the what most of the upper class support as it is pro capitalism.
 
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Yup Milanista i agree with you after reading FourFourTwo's interview with Di Canio...to my astonishment Di Canio has a few very social concerns (working with kids from poor neighbourhoods for example) and some of his ideas could be considered "leftist"...He's very provoking and outspoken but i even kind of liked him...

About the way the Balon D'or is voted. It is true Don that the voting in itself is not exclusively for French journalists, but the nominated players are choosen by French journalists (i.e. the journalists of France Football) hence the fact that there are waaaay too much French players on that (not so) short-list...
 
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PLF said:
Then unfortunately there are a few in there that are absolutely UNdeserved and shouldn't f'n be there at all! They're just making it because of their goddamn high reputation/fame and media hype and playing for big clubs which get a lot of exposure! NOT actually 'consistent world-class performances' which should be the main criteria to win a prize like this! :rolleyes:
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It exists !

There's 4 criteria :

1 - Individual and Team Performance
2 - Player Talent and Fair Play
3 - Carrier
4 - Personality and Influence
 
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1 is 75% subjective, 2, 3 and 4 are entirely subjective...
 
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pogoss said:
unfortunately yes :(
he is fascist and if you want you can ask some italian why did he use to wear the number 88 .
he , materrazi and others are in the "extreme right" (don't know if you say that in english) .
don't tell "he was getting well along with thuram so he's not racist" you can see also di canio with some black players so what .
but I understand your reaction PLF , I had exactly the same .I really didn't want to believe it myself .
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how do you know he weared 88 for that reason? and if that is so he is a nazi not a rascist.
 
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i agree with plf

forza juve cazzo, non rompete i coglioni co sti ciabbattari svitati pinchi niri, sti viziati, ite a guardà adriano che fine che ha fatto...
alla juve ste cose non succedono, e piazzamo i primi 2, anche nell'anno del famigerato
 
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Conflicting reports are surfacing. I'm still reading a lot of what Don mentioned about Buffon winning and these reports seem to have increased in numbers.

But I also found a few that said Thierry Henry may have won it and a few pointing to captain of the Azzuri.

ni6htmare said:
@PLF

Well for me it stays the same, of course in the cases of Chelsea/Czech Juve/Italy their keeper is really important, but for me not the most important one. Maybe if he stops a penalty and makes great saves to save a point or to win 3 points for his team, he can be the best and most important one for a day, but for me you can't say a keeper is your most important thing in your whole team.
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So let me get this right.

Basically you're saying, a goalkeeper even if truly AMAZING can be the best player of a team for one day or one match but can never be considered THE BEST player of a team overall because he's a goalie right? :-s

If so, I disagree. Buffon is Juve's best player right now and probably would be the best player of 95% of other clubs in world as well if he moved.

ni6htmare said:
But in this case I think they overrating the importance of the keepers of little. And Buffon is great, but ITS not even sure he's the best keeper in the world, then why should we say he's the best of the best this year, for me a bit too much.
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You mean, YOU're not even sure which is cool and I can respect your opinion.

But to say it's not sure is a little vague. Buffon is widely considered the best GK in the world by many (obviously not everybody will agree and that's okay) and has been for the past few years.

I'm part of that group. There is many other great GK's in this world like Cech and van der Sar, etc. but they come behind him in my opinion... (Of course Cech is still young and can get EVEN better! ;) )

In fact in my opinion, Buffon is not only the world's #1 GK now and for past few years, but the best one I've ever seen!!! (I've said this before many months ago as well.. so don't think it has to do anything with him being nominated for this award, etc.)

Sure, we always hear about GREAT PAST goalkeepers. But how many people here apart from a few old-heads can actually say they saw them play regularly?? I know I can't. So I choose not to judge them. I'm sure they were wonderful.

But I can be a great judge of Buffon's ability because he IS a player I've watched nearly week-in-week-out since he was a young boy at Parma.

ni6htmare said:
Maybe time to stop about this, don't think we ever gonna agree on this one:lol:
cya
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hehehe.. no problem. We'll stop this right here because I don't want to go any further either.

I get the feeling you are the type who will not get convinced no matter how good or valid the arguments are.. so there's really no point. :p

cya

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p.s. I heard the official news will come on Nov 27th!
 
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Well, if the arguments arent good enough there's no reason to change my mind right? :mrgreen:

Btw, I thought this was over, and you finally agreed with me(like you should ;) lol)(That of course, was a joke.)

Anyway, I'm staying with my last post in this thread, I dont think he should win it, you do. Doesn't matter really since Cannavaro has won it, wouldnt be my choice, but I can live with it.
 
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according to reports here in France Cannavaro won it:)
few "france football" journalists were seen in Madrid to make some photos/interwiews with Cannavaro
official Result:27 September!!!
 
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Cannavaro! ?? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lol:

I think this vote needs to be included in the list of incredible Ballon D'or winners.
Congratulations to Cannavaro, can put the Ballon near the video when he was with a syringe doing strange affairs, good trophy too :roll:
 
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I think its time Henry deserved some recognition.
 
Congrats to Fabio. :applause:

He deserves it.

He was robbed out of the Fifa World Cup 2006 player of the tournament despite being amazing in EVERY match and it's good to see him not miss out this time.
 
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