vanzandt, you are such a strange guy, first you start saying the ref was the one who's spoiled everything for you, the pitch was awful(thou England for most of the time plays using long airborne passes and pitch has nothing to do with them that's a fact).
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Yes I have said this and I believe it is so.
We know for a fact that the penalty was not a penalty, do you agree with this?
Do you agree that this decision was completely wrong?
If you do, you must concede that the result factually would have been materially different. The Rooney goal was also onside by the way, If you go and find footage you will not be able to see any daylight between the Rooney and the last man.
The pitch which was also a complaint though no where near as much a complaint as the penalty decision. I do not wish to talk further about the pitch as I feel such talk with detract from the main points and my bones of contention.
then you ask not to judge u by stereotypes and cliches. You just acted stupid and stereotypical how can't you understand?!
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So let’s get this straight I am stupid because I am not happy with the penalty decision and the pitch?
And because of this “stupidity quote”, you have the right along with others to attack me/English fans and the English national team with anti English comments and stereotypes?
And by the way if you were more attentive and careful at reading you should've noticed, only one of my posts was directed at you .
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But this logic falls down completely and I will show you why;
Your comments were derogatory to the England team and by extension they were derogatory to English fans and I am an English fan. Your comments were anti English- they just were- your statements and what they imply in the conversations you were involved in.
So whether I was mistaken in thinking they were directed at me or not is neither here nor there and is irrelevant. Directly or indirectly they are derogatory, mocking etc and of me because I am as an English fan.
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If you make derogatory comments about people with one leg you should not be surprised if you offend a man with one leg.
You cannot expect to be involved in derogatory and anti English conversations and not offend the only English supporter who was in the thread and commenting at the time.
To think that you can is unrealistic and wrong.
And it was not cos I'm England-hating mofo, but cause you acted stupid and completely disrespectful to opponents who were simply a better team and really deserved this win.
Really.
I think you need to analyze your behavior and compare it to mine, because I think what you have said is simply untrue.
You say you were not England hating but you behaved as though you were, the conversation you were in at the time that was not directed at me was of this nature.
You and a couple of guys were extremely mocking and disrespectful of the England national team and its fans. I could feel the derision and hatred etc dripping off the page, it upset me and really pissed me off.
You say I acted stupid, but you define stupid behavior as not agree with the penalty and the fact I felt it was a major factor in changing the result and because I was not happy with the pitch.
Is that really stupid or simply a differing point of view that should be respected or at the least tolerated?
I did not tell you that you were stupid for your belief that Russian deserved the win. I disagreed with you over the Rooney goal but I did not say you were stupid to disagree.
You say in the above quote that I was disrespectful to opponents.
Can you detail each and every one of these disrespectful comments?
You see I don’t believe there are any.
I said NOTHING that was disrespectful to the Russian team or its fans.
There was a mistake, possibly a translation issue whereby you possibly and understandably thought that a comparative I made was a criticism. I understand how you could think that, but I know that my intention and use of the comparative was NOT a criticism.
The fact is I concentrated almost solely on the refereeing decision and how I believe it affected the game and I mentioned the pitch. I didn’t actually say anything at all in relation to the Russian team one way or the other.
This is in contrast to your behavior and the derogatory anti English conversation you were involved in.
disrespectful to opponents who were simply a better team and really deserved this win.
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You could argue that Russia showed more passion and endeavor, equally you could argue that until the unfair penalty England were totally in control of the game.
You could argue that Russia were better in the last 30 minutes and that England were better in the first 60 minutes, given the goal scored, the success of the tactics employed to that point and the most clear cut chance in the game being the Gerrard miss.
Football is about big moments, timing, taking chances, errors and decisions and very often the result is at complete odds with effort and what may or may not be deserved.
I haven’t really debated who deserved the win as it is largely irrelevant to my mind. I mean how often do you get what you deserve in football anyway?
Where does such talk get anyone?
The point I made was that the penalty decision turned the game, that the game HINGED on that moment and that without the mistaken penalty decision, England would have got a result. This is NOT stupid, this is NOT disrespectful. The conversation you were involved in was.
If it is a big deal to you I could say Russia deserved to win in terms of passion and commitment, no problem. But equally it does not change the fact that the penalty decision was KEY and without it Russia would NOT have a result.
I never felt England were great in this game or prior, sorry to let you down and ruin the stereotype. I also felt Russia were a decent side, again sorry to ruin the stereotype.
I had every respect for Russia going into this game because I felt it was a touch and go game that could just as easily be lost as won. I think the England team including Mclaren felt the same way and I felt the tactics reflected this (counter attacking). In the derogatory conversation it was said that England didn’t respect Croatia. Actually Mclaren was so worried about Croatia that he completely changed the England formation- such was the level of respect and concern. Also I was well aware of Croatia brilliant record at home in qualifiers, so I too was very respectful of Croatia. Myabe the Sun and Mirror newspapers weren’t maybe the odd prat on English TV wasn’t- but they are prats and not the England fans or team.
If England fail to qualify I will wish Russia every success as I have no problem whatsoever with the Russian team or fans of the team.
Don’t fall in the trap of believing the lies of English fans being all arrogant is true because it is not. Don’t believe the lies that the England national team are arrogant, they are no more arrogant than most teams of similar ability, though I am probably sure that a daft player here or there, the same goes for Germany or Italy teams as not all footballers have a high IQ.
Don’t believe the lie that we see all teams from the East as mediocre and a walkover because we don’t. You might find the Sun and the Mirror saying that, you might find a prat on TV saying that and you might find the odd prat in the pub thinking that- but not the England team and not proper decent fans.
You shouldn’t make assumptions as to the character you are talking to because of these incorrect and outdated stereotypes.
