Re: The Italy Thread - Forza Azzurri! - "Il sogno è appena cominciato"
godotelli said:
370 years of societal change is hardly analogous to 6 months of an individual life.
Besides, history tells you the evolution of a society. It has explanatory power but it's not necessary to determine what the current attitude is.
but u weren't just talking about the current traits. u wrote, and i'm quoting your own words here, "
both historically and currently".
besides what u wrote right there is an oxymoron, a nonsensical paradox.
if "
history tells u about the evolution of a society", like u wrote (and u're right on that), than that's exactly what's "
necessary to determine what the current attitude is".
u're a smart guy godotelli...... so (f i may give u a small advice) don't ever say again that "
history it's not necessary to determine the current traits of a population".
knowing our past is the key to understanding what we are today. and that applies to individuals, as well as societies.
what u are today is the result of every people u met in your life, of every conversation u had, of every book u read, of every place u lived in or just visited for a short period of time, of everything your parents, your teachers, those u considered your mentors taught u in your life, of every subject you studied, of everything and everyone u loved or hated, liked or disliked in your life. every single experience u had in your life, up to this very moment, adds up to define what u are today.
and the same applies to our societies. u can't understand or explain what england is today, without cromwell or dickens, without shakespeare or henry viii or james ii. when it comes to "explaining where the english society stands today" theese people are just as important as tony blair or margaret thatcher.
if you're really curious about the italian people and their traits, then read dante, read machiavelli, read petrarca and foscolo, read sciascia and baricco... listen to puccini, verdi rossini or donizetti... or come live here for a little while. u'll find out italians have pretty much every weakness, every flaw ever documented in mankind's history.
infact the one good thing.... really the only good thing i can say about us italians today, is that we're kind people and that we don't make any difference between a black person or a white person... or between a christian and a jew and a muslim and an atheist.
i'm serious here, when i compare the italian society to others societies, this is the only good thing about us i can honestly come up with.

(which speaks volumes about the current state of our society).
edmundo said:
Obviously if he is very disruptive then it could be counter-productive but with a new manager in a sense the slate is wiped clean and everyone has a new relationship with him.
that's true. but what about his relationship with his teammates? prandelli is gone, but they aren't.