Arsenal Thread

i love Henry, fantastic for Arsenal.

Wenger happy as little kid:

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I'm pleased for Henry (op class player, nice bloke), for Arsenal, for Wenger (my hero as a manager) and for the Arsenal fans.

Combined with the improbable come back (and i could repeat the above sentence) i'm not sure if this is good news for English football. Apart from the fairy tale aspect this shows some form of poverty in English football.

The two absolute top clubs of the last 20 years are in a bit of a crisis and try to solve it by taking back former legends. Both solutions are short term solutions. I'm pretty sure in the Scholes case Ferguson did this as a message to the Glazers (i need money) when you still have a player like Anderson in your squad (how must he feel now, like Joey Barton twittered). Is this a sign of poverty or are good players nowadays simply too expensive (for English clubs)?

I'm sorry to rain on your parade. I hope Henry provides more football magic, but i'm not sure it's that good to be honest...
 
Hi all. Last night i went to the emirates and came back a bit drunk and late and went straight to bed so i did not have time to post my impressions of the match, So here it goes!

First of all the atmosphere was sensational. The best i have witnessed at the emirates and i have been a few times this season already. In the second half we was all chanting for Henry to come on and when he did, the crowd volume increased dramaticaly.

When he scored we all went mental. absolutely mental we was all. Brilliant goal and brilliant experience!

About Henry, his movement, awareness and intelligence was a cut above the rest in the field and we did have a strong side out with Song, ramsey, shezney ect all playing. Henry was also giving instructions to the other players, telling them to calm down after the goal, to keep shape etc etc. Henry clearly is not match fit has he did not run much last night but for the goal he got in to an awsome position and finished off his only chance typical Henry style. Chamack and co can only dream of finishing like that! Ashavin actually had a near identical chance of Henry's goal to score about mins after Henry's goal but he messed up.

You see, Henry may be slow but his finishing, movement, awareness and intelligence is still there of the old Henry.

Now on to arsenals overal performance. a bit meh. First half we tried to pass the ball to the net and instead of Ashavin crossing the ball 9/10 he tried to cut inside :(

2nd half we played a bit better, crossing it more often and almost scored a few before Henry did so.

Leeds had 1 or 2 decent chances that could have punished us in the 2nd half but overal a average peformance by us and it took a world class finish from Henry to finish the game.

Overal a brilliant night at the emirates and was drunk at the end :)

Here are some pics

The King is Back!(Arsenal vs Leeds FA Cup 3rd Round) - a set on Flickr
 
gerd said:
I'm pleased for Henry (op class player, nice bloke), for Arsenal, for Wenger (my hero as a manager) and for the Arsenal fans.

Combined with the improbable come back (and i could repeat the above sentence) i'm not sure if this is good news for English football. Apart from the fairy tale aspect this shows some form of poverty in English football.

The two absolute top clubs of the last 20 years are in a bit of a crisis and try to solve it by taking back former legends. Both solutions are short term solutions. I'm pretty sure in the Scholes case Ferguson did this as a message to the Glazers (i need money) when you still have a player like Anderson in your squad (how must he feel now, like Joey Barton twittered). Is this a sign of poverty or are good players nowadays simply too expensive (for English clubs)?

I'm sorry to rain on your parade. I hope Henry provides more football magic, but i'm not sure it's that good to be honest...
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I don't think it is that bad, the situation is for Arsenal (Can't really speak for Man United), that we need another top striker, but it is hard to get one half way through a season. Henry has been training with us for a few weeks and Wenger saw that he still had it to play a part for a couple of months.

I think English players are way WAY too expensive and the prices that an English player goes for for just showing a bit of promise is absolutely sickening! it really is.

But there are enough players around the world to get for decent prices, unless we bring up our own English players, it makes no sense to pay 3 times as much for an English player than one abroad.

I for one would love us to have more English players, Gibbs, Wilshere, Walcott, the Ox etc I would love to add to.

I think Arsenal have the money to buy now, but will not spend way over the odds for players.

In Man Uniteds case, they need to spend some money in Midfield and they will do, but they might not be able to get the players they want until the Summer.

I for one don't see the harm in bringing in old players that you know are going to give 100% to your cause and help educate the youngsters around them.

In short, I don't think there really is a problem, both Arsenal and Man United have injury crisis at the moment, but they are of the extreme and couldn't be foreseen. Although Arsenal have had the life drained out of Arshavin and Chamack, which is another reason we are vulnerable because our attack is week without Van Persie and that needs to be solved.
 
gerd said:
I'm pleased for Henry (op class player, nice bloke), for Arsenal, for Wenger (my hero as a manager) and for the Arsenal fans.

Combined with the improbable come back (and i could repeat the above sentence) i'm not sure if this is good news for English football. Apart from the fairy tale aspect this shows some form of poverty in English football.

The two absolute top clubs of the last 20 years are in a bit of a crisis and try to solve it by taking back former legends. Both solutions are short term solutions. I'm pretty sure in the Scholes case Ferguson did this as a message to the Glazers (i need money) when you still have a player like Anderson in your squad (how must he feel now, like Joey Barton twittered). Is this a sign of poverty or are good players nowadays simply too expensive (for English clubs)?

I'm sorry to rain on your parade. I hope Henry provides more football magic, but i'm not sure it's that good to be honest...
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You can thank chelsea and now city ruining the english league. ENglish players are way overpriced and only a selected few can afford them now.

The youth from arsenal and united dont seem as good as the previous generations and when city are offering 30m for some average english player and giving him 200k a week, how can arsenal compete with that?
 
Henry`s last game at Highbury finished w/ a hat-trick and last night won the match for us. Having Nasri sitting at the game watching Henry being loved priceless !

I said it before we need players who can score. Ramsey n Arshavin just can`t do it. Chamahk must of felt a tool 2 yards out and still hoofs the ball over the net :LOL: funny watching before Henry came out not one player made a run, they all stay wide. Once Henry made a run more Barca style the pass came n score!
 
gerd said:
I'm pleased for Henry (op class player, nice bloke), for Arsenal, for Wenger (my hero as a manager) and for the Arsenal fans.

Combined with the improbable come back (and i could repeat the above sentence) i'm not sure if this is good news for English football. Apart from the fairy tale aspect this shows some form of poverty in English football.

The two absolute top clubs of the last 20 years are in a bit of a crisis and try to solve it by taking back former legends. Both solutions are short term solutions. I'm pretty sure in the Scholes case Ferguson did this as a message to the Glazers (i need money) when you still have a player like Anderson in your squad (how must he feel now, like Joey Barton twittered). Is this a sign of poverty or are good players nowadays simply too expensive (for English clubs)?

I'm sorry to rain on your parade. I hope Henry provides more football magic, but i'm not sure it's that good to be honest...
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I see it more as a loss of world-class players in today's pool of talent. I find it a lot harder to name players I consider 'world class' these days. In Milan, I consider Thiago Silva to be world class amongst the younger crop, but other than that, it's hard to name them. Same goes for the top English teams.

I think we're reaching a generation of very talented technical players, but the types like Scholes, Nesta, Maldini, Puyol, Henry seem to be fading. Maybe I'm not thinking properly about this subject...
 
Milanista said:
I see it more as a loss of world-class players in today's pool of talent. I find it a lot harder to name players I consider 'world class' these days. In Milan, I consider Thiago Silva to be world class amongst the younger crop, but other than that, it's hard to name them. Same goes for the top English teams.

I think we're reaching a generation of very talented technical players, but the types like Scholes, Nesta, Maldini, Puyol, Henry seem to be fading. Maybe I'm not thinking properly about this subject...
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It's going to sound simplistic, (and unsurprising from me) but I think the key reason is actually the inequality in football. Most of the largest teams - and Barcelona and Real Madrid are the worst at this - have essentially two entire top class XIs.

So we reach a situation where the very best young players are going to top clubs and not playing week in, week out. Plus they're not staying in a stable environment for long periods of time, and not developing into the 'legend' status.

Take someone like Alexis Sanchez - who for all intensive purposes was the most promising, technical 'new' player out there last year. Now he's going to be frequently in and out of the Barca team, because of the sheer talent they possess. I can't blame him, that's where the money and fame was, but maybe 15 years ago he stays and becomes a legend instead.

It's the same in England - where the top players tend to get hoovered up into the 'mega squads' of the top 4 teams. When I was growing up it definitely felt more like every prem team had their 'star' - a player that was class but also was likely to stay with that team.

Maybe it's just nostalgia though ;)
 
There will come a time that clubs like City will attract either stars or older players like Wayne Bridge.
I on't understand why players like Adam Johnson, Coetrao, Sahin, Boyata, Lukaku are going to clubs like City, Real Madrid and Chelsea...
Sooner or later they will see that they are damging their carreer..

I also don't understand why those clubs show interest in some players. There is the example of Yacine El Ghanassy (who?). El Ghanassy is currently playing for Belgian club AA Gent, he is young (but not too young, he will be 22 this year), rather promising (but not too promising: het played once for our national team and is occasionally among the squad of 22) and is good in the Jupiler League (but not too good because today our player of the year will be elected and he was never mentioned among the favourites or even outsiders). Yet Machester City are intrested in him...he is a winger...he will be the 5th choice winger of Man City...Why? I don't understand.
 
gerd said:
There will come a time that clubs like City will attract either stars or older players like Wayne Bridge.
I on't understand why players like Adam Johnson, Coetrao, Sahin, Boyata, Lukaku are going to clubs like City, Real Madrid and Chelsea...
Sooner or later they will see that they are damging their carreer..

I also don't understand why those clubs show interest in some players. There is the example of Yacine El Ghanassy (who?). El Ghanassy is currently playing for Belgian club AA Gent, he is young (but not too young, he will be 22 this year), rather promising (but not too promising: het played once for our national team and is occasionally among the squad of 22) and is good in the Jupiler League (but not too good because today our player of the year will be elected and he was never mentioned among the favourites or even outsiders). Yet Machester City are intrested in him...he is a winger...he will be the 5th choice winger of Man City...Why? I don't understand.
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really you don`t get it... ManCity can afford getting a player and holding on to them like the reference "Cream raises to the top" so if he`s that good great if not we`ll loan him out . Also, keeping other clubs like MUTD,Chels etc. away. Its how rich clubs do it.
 
Bebo, don't you think i've thought about that?
But i can understand that they buy some players to keep other clubs away. But there are hunderds of players like El Ghanassy..surely they will not buy them all...maybe it's proof that their scouting system is not very good.
 
In the summer , wenger was ask abt city...and he said "they can't buy everyone just a few" . Im sure scouting has to do lots of work finding the best opt. City will just buy whoever mutd wants or the most talk about player. City will get 2 of the best players from euro in the summer. Why would any playerwould want that maybe 200k reason lol

On other news arsenal bid for cissokho ,but for loan only it seem Lyon wants 8million take it or leave it! Loan rejected. Problem is having 4 fullbacks is enougj w 2 coming back this month. Vermaelen is back so. Clubs might be strap for cash...kalou seem to be strong rumored it might be agent playing w chels to get his super sub a hike in pay 90k exact.
 
I would take Cissokho for $8M. Definitely. Good player. Physical. Athletic. Will have no problem adjusting to EPL. Taiwo would do well too.

Don't see why Lyon are selling him though. Especially for that price. I could understand accepting an offer twice as high.
 
Lyon paid 12m I think they need the money. It seem hard for Wenger to get a loan from Ligue1 clubs , he`s been at it all summer.
 
It just doesn't make any sense. They're gonna give up their best LB for LESS than they bought him and fuck up any chance they have in CL (which already looks slim this year) and getting into CL next year through league which won't be easy either?! I don't think so.

They're not in good financial place but they're not that desperate. If that was the case, they would sell someone like Gourcuff who would be much more expensive and Wenger's also interested in. But they're not even doing that especially mid season let alone giving away their best LB for a loss here.

I don't really see this happening. Not for that price anyway. Probably just speculation.
 
PLF said:
It just doesn't make any sense. They're gonna give up their best LB for LESS than they bought him and fuck up any chance they have in CL (which already looks slim this year) and getting into CL next year through league which won't be easy either?! I don't think so.

They're not in good financial place but they're not that desperate. If that was the case, they would sell someone like Gourcuff who would be much more expensive and Wenger's also interested in. But they're not even doing that especially mid season let alone giving away their best LB for a loss here.

I don't really see this happening. Not for that price anyway. Probably just speculation.
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I read it was turn down b because Wenger doesn`t want to buy we have too many LB Santo /Gibbs having a 3rd is too much of a surplus
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2084615/Arsene-Wenger-offered-8m-Aly-Cissokho.html
 
Thanks for the article.

Yeah I personally remain skeptical about this. Sounds a little too good to be true that Aulas calls up Wenger and is like hey you can have him for $8M if you want. I can see him leaving but more for the price he came.

Anyway if I were Wenger, I'd take him in a heartbeat. 24 years old, already quite good and experienced in CL (Porto, Lyon) and much better than Gibbs and better than Santos (who can't defend if his life depended on it).

But he just bought Santos (who isn't as good imo) and Gibbs is still young and Wenger has faith in him I guess and would see it as holding him back and we know how much Arsene hates giving up on his youngsters, he usually keeps faith in them until they are old enough and prove they're not good enough.

So logically, for me it's a real simple decision. He's better than what you have, still young, physical, and at a real bargain. But of course it's more complicated than that and Wenger has to care for the players he already has (who are inferior in my opinion) so I can understand the decision and wanting only a loan. I'd do the deal though if that was real and available which we don't really know if it is. I can see Newcastle coming up with another wonderful swoop now and taking him as another French bargain much like Cabaye off Arsenal's noses.
 
you know Wenger and his attacking players! that he wont turn down. If , Wenger wanted he could put Santo as a Winger he crosses n scored more than Arshavin :LOL: I think Vermaelen will take LB since Kosc has been a skinny beast at back.
 
I find it funny that samir even bother to roll down to even say top of the league. I dont think he's a arsenal reject he left us lol . Spd off is his way of deal wit it...it wouldn't make a fuss if he took the abuse n waved hello.
 
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