Arsenal Thread

lazyForken said:
RVP is far from being an Hypocrite!

He did everything he could for the club! the dude is 29!

After that invincible season Wenger never recreate a side that was as strong and dominant. He never reached a Status for the club that attract talent and superstars. He never build a fortress of a club thats people dream of playing for. Thats the problem! do not blame guy who try to win somthing in hes footballing career after giving up so much for a club that only hope for the best every season!
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What did Van Persie give up? I would really like to know this?
 
Arsebal might've managed to win something if van Pissy hadn't been so poor in his first 6 seasons with the club, an average of 8 goals a season in the Premiership is hardly world class..
Course I'm not blaming him; but come on its a bit rich that he's saying the club have been poor for so long when he's not been a shining example.
 
I don't get what Arsenal fans want. Given that Arsenal exist and have to operate in this bizarre world where they bring in more money each year than they spend, they are unable to compete with clubs that do no operate in this weird universe.

Fortunately, there are only 2 teams in England that operate in football manager cheat code world, so things are relatively fine.

RVP is not worth breaking your business model over. Neither is it worth changing a great model just to compensate for the completely unsustainable, relatively short-term insanity of City and Chelsea. Just coast for a 5 year period - be up there but not at the very top. And then one day reality will set in, Arsenal will have a beautiful paid for stadium, be raking in millions and be able to then be at the top of English football again.
 
The argument is that Arsenal can not pay off the stadium early due to the increase penalty that was set up. This time last year they were , net debts of £97m in whole.


The vision was to have a new stadium and it was rumored to be debt free in 2015. I think even a debt-free , it would be hard to break the mold. The next project is getting players to adopt your ambition . Where do Song, Vermaelen , Jack , and OX see themselves in the future? That needs to be instill n nurtured (brain washed preferably )
 
bebo said:
The argument is that Arsenal can not pay off the stadium early due to the increase penalty that was set up. This time last year they were , net debts of £97mi
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£97?! I would be laughing all the way to the bank! (Obviously the club has more debt) You look at any other club in the top 6 and they're probably riddled with 100's of millions debt! Arsenal are lucky IMO, to have the luxury of knowing they're a profitable club, while my much loved Manchester United have to cope with the bullshit £60m fucking INTEREST charge we have to pay each year, that's right! £60m just in interest.
 
Arsenal.com said:
The overall level of Group net debt had been reduced to £97.8 million (2010 - £135.6 million) at the balance sheet date.
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here`s the link Arsenal.com You can`t compare MUTD to Arsenal. Mutd earns more in every aspect commercials rights alone is 70m more. Arsenal structure is design and the owner can not change the model. Mutd`s owner changed the structure ?
 
bebo said:
here`s the link Arsenal.com You can`t compare MUTD to Arsenal. Mutd earns more in every aspect commercials rights alone is 70m more. Arsenal structure is design and the owner can not change the model. Mutd`s owner changed the structure ?
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Recently yes, changed the business model to free up more shares to sell.. I'm on phone so can't ond any links or details..
The owner also secured the club against all the loans he took out to pay for the takeover, so you know.
 
Well, that why I said clubs are ran differently. Stan was on the board for a few years and he has more shares by 60% but it`s self sustaining to a certain degree. Really its boring , fans care for success and want trophies !

on other news tweets :LOL:

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lazyForken said:
RVP is far from being an Hypocrite!

He did everything he could for the club! the dude is 29!

After that invincible season Wenger never recreate a side that was as strong and dominant. He never reached a Status for the club that attract talent and superstars. He never build a fortress of a club thats people dream of playing for. Thats the problem! do not blame guy who try to win somthing in hes footballing career after giving up so much for a club that only hope for the best every season!
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I guess us Arsenal fans had hoped that RVP would have some kind of loyality towards the club for sticking with him through all his injuries, and considering this is it really RVP that has given up so much!? What "winning side" would want to gamble on a player that until last season spent half seasons on the treatment table?
Deep down we know that loyality is a distinct attribute among today footballers and one have to accept that RVP is no different, but when you are the club captain you don't release a statement like he did, you just don't.
It's not him leaving that creates the anger/frustration, its the way he does it...
 
Van Persie is a hypocrite because he says he has nothing but respect for Mr. Wenger and loves Arsenal FC. But in his statement he completely demoralized the club, its directors and Arsene Wenger, whilst significantly driving down his transfer fee with such declarations.
So, yes, he did some damage to the club, weakened Arsenal's bargaining power in the transfer market... and, on the back of a very good season he's just had, he seemed to have forgotten what Arsenal has done to him through the years and how many times he returned from Holland friendlies crocked up and sidelined for 4 months.

As for Andre Santos, he's the new cult hero at Arsenal. He's the new Eboue!
"See you tomorrow, Yossi" :LOL:
 
Oh come on. You should be thankfull to RVP. He qualifed you singlehandedly for the CL. He was magnificent in his last season.
Before that he was an injury prone player. Come to think of it, we hand an heroïc decision here. The Arsenal fans said that he was world class, i said he wasn't because he was too much injury prone. Most people were infuriated with me because i said so. I predicted that the moment RVP would leave, the fact that he used to be injury prone would become an issue ans he would no longer be a world class player.

Give me one good reason why he should stay at Arsenal? Loyalty? LOL. These guys are professionals. He treated Arsenal with respect and wants to go to a better club to win silverware, just like Nasri.
 
I'm sorry but this isn't making sense to me, Gerd. Being injury prone doesn't stop anyone from being world class. Or are you telling me that Marco Van Basten wasn't world class till the very end of his career?

About the loyalty thing, you are right, we cannot expect it from professionals today (decades ago it was different). But Van Persie is (was) the captain of the club, so he shouldn't have done that. You don't see Arsenal fans slagging off Cesc Fabregas, because he was a real professional about it. The guy went quiet and remained respectful to the club until the end.

Loyalty cannot be expected nowadays from players, who are much like whores, but funnily enough, Arsenal is much more loyal to its players than they are to the club. Think about it: Abou Diaby could have been offloaded seasons ago, but the club and manager keep faith in him (I would have done it by now, as I think he's not a good footballer). The same with Robin Van Persie - he became what he is today because the club believed in him, invested in him and provided him a platform to develop. This guy played with the greats, you know, Dennis Bergkamp, Henry, Vieira, Pires... maybe one day it would be his time to pass on the torch to some younger players, but he chose not to be an Arsenal legend and move on.

I don't want to sound like a hypocrite here, as I have no idea of what it is to be on RvP's shoes, but I'd like to think that, being already rich (earning £80k a week, surely wouldn't need more than that?) I would be loyal to Arsenal and wouldn't back stab Arsene Wenger, the man who believed in me and gave me the captain armband. I'd like to think I would do that, but my vision is too clouded as an Arsenal fan.

In the end, he doesn't have to stay at Arsenal. It's his choice and it has to be respected. But you cannot expose the club like that, this is what pisses us all off. Robin has lost a lot of respect IMO.
 
Rentboy said:
I'm sorry but this isn't making sense to me, Gerd. Being injury prone doesn't stop anyone from being world class. Or are you telling me that Marco Van Basten wasn't world class till the very end of his career?

About the loyalty thing, you are right, we cannot expect it from professionals today (decades ago it was different). But Van Persie is (was) the captain of the club, so he shouldn't have done that. You don't see Arsenal fans slagging off Cesc Fabregas, because he was a real professional about it. The guy went quiet and remained respectful to the club until the end.

Loyalty cannot be expected nowadays from players, who are much like whores, but funnily enough, Arsenal is much more loyal to its players than they are to the club. Think about it: Abou Diaby could have been offloaded seasons ago, but the club and manager keep faith in him (I would have done it by now, as I think he's not a good footballer). The same with Robin Van Persie - he became what he is today because the club believed in him, invested in him and provided him a platform to develop. This guy played with the greats, you know, Dennis Bergkamp, Henry, Vieira, Pires... maybe one day it would be his time to pass on the torch to some younger players, but he chose not to be an Arsenal legend and move on.

I don't want to sound like a hypocrite here, as I have no idea of what it is to be on RvP's shoes, but I'd like to think that, being already rich (earning £80k a week, surely wouldn't need more than that?) I would be loyal to Arsenal and wouldn't back stab Arsene Wenger, the man who believed in me and gave me the captain armband. I'd like to think I would do that, but my vision is too clouded as an Arsenal fan.

In the end, he doesn't have to stay at Arsenal. It's his choice and it has to be respected. But you cannot expose the club like that, this is what pisses us all off. Robin has lost a lot of respect IMO.
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well said.

RVP has acted much worse then Nasri IMO. RVP should be ashamed of his statement. by all means leave if he wants to and release a statement saying he thanks the club for all we have done but decided its time to move on for a new challenge.thats it

Do any of you lot slag off your previous employer when you leave the place?

No u dont. u leave gracefuly no matter how crap the place u worked in was.

RVP has lost a lot of respect. he is a idiot for what he said.

He should learn a thing or two from Henry, Viera and Fabregas our past captains who all left us in the right manner.
 
Didn't Fabregas create a giant shit storm as well? By announcing his intentions to leave at the start, middle and end of the season?
And Henry leaving meant Arsenal fans turned on Wenger.. Again, because he couldn't persuade someone to stay at a failing club?
End of the day, Arsenal players have absolutely NO loyalty, and each star that leaves also leaves his own shit storm cause if you can't blame the player you blame the boss, and sometimes when it's the bosses fault you blame the player and vice versa.. Arsenal affairs make me laugh :)
 
gerd said:
Oh come on. You should be thankfull to RVP. He qualifed you singlehandedly for the CL. He was magnificent in his last season.
Before that he was an injury prone player. Come to think of it, we hand an heroïc decision here. The Arsenal fans said that he was world class, i said he wasn't because he was too much injury prone. Most people were infuriated with me because i said so. I predicted that the moment RVP would leave, the fact that he used to be injury prone would become an issue ans he would no longer be a world class player.

Give me one good reason why he should stay at Arsenal? Loyalty? LOL. These guys are professionals. He treated Arsenal with respect and wants to go to a better club to win silverware, just like Nasri.
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Gerd people are angry at the way he is leaving, not that he is leaving. I think most fans thought he would probably leave and he should have gone about it much differently.

What he did shows no respect for the club or fans and the club and fans showed him alot of respect. So I am really annoyed at the way he is leaving, it could have been so much better for everybody involved.

As for your last section of your post, I don't really understand it? but I think you are wrong from what I understand. No one is saying he is not world class now? and the only reason people mention his injuries is because he has spent alot of his time injured at Arsenal and has been paid and supported and given the captaincy aswell.

Anyway it doesn't matter, lets just get him sold!
 
Taylor_94 said:
Didn't Fabregas create a giant shit storm as well? By announcing his intentions to leave at the start, middle and end of the season?
And Henry leaving meant Arsenal fans turned on Wenger.. Again, because he couldn't persuade someone to stay at a failing club?
End of the day, Arsenal players have absolutely NO loyalty, and each star that leaves also leaves his own shit storm cause if you can't blame the player you blame the boss, and sometimes when it's the bosses fault you blame the player and vice versa.. Arsenal affairs make me laugh :)
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It was very different with Fabregas. No doubt he wanted to go back home and he forced his way out, but he did it from the inside. The stuff that emerged in the press was pure speculation at the time - they weren't far from the truth, but the main thing is that Fabregas kept his mouth shut about that. In the end, even though it was clear that it was only Barca in the picture, his transfer still commanded a £35m fee.
It was all very different indeed from our Dutch friend who releases a statement on his own website saying shit about the "direction the club is taking", trying to save some face with the fans. He basically delivered the first blow and ran for cover. A declaration of war if you like.
This could backfire though, because Arsenal doesn't have to grant him the transfer he wants. We can tell him it's either abroad or you stay until the end of your contract. Take it or leave it.

Now there's Theo Walcott in the same situation, entering the final year of his contract and his people stopped negotiations with Arsenal.
But quite honestly I couldn't give a fuck if he left.
 
It seems that Arsenal is loyal towards it's players. But what about the fans. Are they loyal towards their players? Ask Eboué. Ask Walcott. Ask Oxlade Chamberlain in a couple of seasons.

About the injuries. It is unfair to make an issue of Van Persies injuries now that he is leaving the club where it never was when he was still with you. Van Basten was world class continually until he got injury prone. Van Persie wasn't world class because he never could proof what he was worth because of injuries. That is the difference.
 
I thought most of us have learnt by now there's no such thing called loyalty in today's football.

I don't like it, but I've learnt to live with it. Everyone wants more money and fame.
 
Lami said:
I thought most of us have learnt by now there's no such thing called loyalty in today's football.

I don't like it, but I've learnt to live with it. Everyone wants more money and fame.
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It's true, there's no room for a home grown talent to love his club if he can earn £xxxmillions elsewhere, sad.
 
Well I sort of wasnt counting Podolski as he hasnt played for them yet, Mertersacker and Lehman are correct though, and the other two I'm thinking of were under the Wenger era too.
 
cfdh_edmundo said:
Well I sort of wasnt counting Podolski as he hasnt played for them yet, Mertersacker and Lehman are correct though, and the other two I'm thinking of were under the Wenger era too.
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Damn, I want to say Alberto Mendez.. But I'm certain he was Spanish.
Can't think for he life of me of a 4th
 
gerd said:
It seems that Arsenal is loyal towards it's players. But what about the fans. Are they loyal towards their players? Ask Eboué. Ask Walcott. Ask Oxlade Chamberlain in a couple of seasons.

About the injuries. It is unfair to make an issue of Van Persies injuries now that he is leaving the club where it never was when he was still with you. Van Basten was world class continually until he got injury prone. Van Persie wasn't world class because he never could proof what he was worth because of injuries. That is the difference.
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You wrote earlier that Arsenal fans should be thankful to RVP. You get several answers indicating his statement as the real issue. Why not respond to that!?
 
Maltz was one of the players I was thinking of, so yes there is just one more.

I think Eisfeld hasn't played for the first team yet - only reserves but I'm not 100% sure on that.

Actually if you got Maltz and Mendez, this last guy is a bit more famous than both of them - not much more famous, but a bit. I dont know if he played much in the league for Arsenal, but he definately played in the league cup.
 
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