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Then why else would you make someone a captain, because he scores the most goals?

Obviously you don't make someone a captain 5 days after he joined the club.

So give us better reasons to make someone a captain.
 
Someone that sets an example, can motivate the team, influences the match, can give orders, is more vocal on the pitch, is disciplined, etc. Those are characteristics that can be associated with almost every great captain. Terry, Keane, Gerrard, Vieira (Arsenal), etc.

Just cuz he has been at the club for a long time is a stupid reason.
 
Well you arent going to give a newcomer captaincy, they dont know any of the players, what i meant was he has the experience of being at Chelsea and has knowledge of the players.
 
If they can do the job then its ok to give a newcomer the captaincy.
If Gerrard for example had joine Chelsea during this transfer window and lets say Terry and Lampard were injured, I'm sure theres a big chance that Gerrard would have been given the arm band.
 
No, not at all, he will have hardly know the club, eg the fans and his new teammates and how they respond to new situations.
 
So you prefer someone that knows the club rather than someone would actually do a better job?

Love the logic.
 
How do you know he would do a better job? He may not even have the palyers doing what he says becuase htey havent earnt respect for him yet. You cant just sign someone and expect them to lead anotehr 10 players theyve just started playing with regularly, thast idiotic.
 
RuneEdge said:
Just cuz he has been at the club for a long time is a stupid reason.
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Actually at the most clubs, that's the main reason someone is appointed captain. That and the respective players' connection or loyalty to the club.
 
Henry is a bad example cuz there are players at Arsenal who have been there longer. And Henry was obviously picked because...(and I'll copy and paste this from my first post) he's someone that sets an example, can motivate the team, influences the match, can give orders, is more vocal on the pitch.

I dont think Eidur does any of those.
 
RuneEdge said:
Henry is a bad example cuz there are players at Arsenal who have been there longer. And Henry was obviously picked because...(and I'll copy and paste this from my first post) he's someone that sets an example, can motivate the team, influences the match, can give orders, is more vocal on the pitch.

I dont think Eidur does any of those.
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Whos been there as long thats loyal and regurly plays? Cole almost left, Pires sometimes subbed, Freddy sometimes subbed, Bergkamp too. Henry starts, fan favourite, top player, loyal, french.
 
Well if they were captain, they wouldnt be subbed.

But thats not the point. Henry fits the characteristics I mentioned. Thats the reason why he's captain. Not because of how long he has been an Arsenal player. Thats what this is about.
 
So Del Piero comes on and takes the band off whoever is the captain on the pitch?

Cuz that just means he's not the first choice captain. A captain is someone that the manager chooses out of the starting XI to be the one that leads the team.
 
No.. Del Piero is the club captain. But when he doesn't start, Thuram is the captain in that match. It doesn't take away that Del Piero still is the team's captain.
 
"When he doesnt start..." meaning he's still a part of the first team. Just rested.

And another thing you have to think about is that if a captain doesnt fit the characteristics above, then he's simply a bad captain.

There might be exception like Del Piero (I dont watch him enough to judge) but its safe to assume that if he's a captain because of his long service to the club then he just plain sucks at leading the team.
 
Being a long time at the club is usually one of the main reasons to be captain. But of course there has to be other reasons to complement that fact.
 
Yeah: for example, Real Madrid's captain is Raúl, then Guti, then Roberto Carlos then Casillas. All of them have been for a long time in the club. All of them know well the rest of the players, love the shirt and the badge, motivate and give example...

I think it takes three things to be a captain:

- You have to represent the club. Therefore you need a strong bond with it, may it come with years of service or being a young talent raised inside the club (Gerrard or Puyol).

- You have to give example: you're the one who never gives up, who is in command of the team on the pitch and is the right hand of the coach. It takes a lot of personality and strength to be the captain. Raúl will never ever stop running and fighting, no matter his team is winning 3-0 or losing 0-3, he will die every week for the team. Even if he's out of luck, he doesn't score as often or dribble as well as before, with a yell he can turn his teammates switched on, with a race towards a lost ball he can encourage the fans at Bernabéu... That's priceless. He alone can make his teammates perform much better.

- You need to represent the club well outside the pitch. Real Madrid's captain can never get caught in trouble by the press, let it be alcohol, driving @ 100mph, girls stuff... Neither can Chelsea's, United's, Liverpool's... Or at least they should not. He shall be the example for every child that wants to be a sportsman, should be polite with the press and fans, should be Fair Play #1 of the team...

This is the perfect captain. And it doesn't even matter that he plays regularly, as long as he travels with the team, is inside the dressing room and can give breath to the rest of the teammates. There should be two or three players that more or less fit these points to ensure that at least one will play every match.
 
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No.. Del Piero is the club captain. But when he doesn't start, Thuram is the captain in that match. It doesn't take away that Del Piero still is the team's captain.
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Isn't that like Desailly and Terry. Desailly was club captain but he wasn't playing so Terry took over the role.

As for players becoming cptain at a new club immediately after joining it does happen. It happened recently in the campionship but I can't remember who it was.
 
I think Barry Ferguson of Rangers was made captain straight after signing from Blackburn, he might of been captain before he left too but I'm not sure.

I'd be pretty angry if someone gave away my captain's armband that easily. :|
 
The way I see it is that you're only a good captain if you fit the characteristics I mentioned. I understand there are exceptions like Del Piero and Raul but that just means they are bad captains. If you are a captain because of your service to the club then you're just a bad captain.

Cantona wasnt at Man Utd for a long time but once our last captain left, he took the band because it was the right man to give it too. Ryan Giggs has been at our club for longer than anyone else yet Roy Keane is out captain cuz he too is the right man to give it too. Stevie G is still young but captaining a big club like Liverpool because of his characteristics like the ones I mentioned. You might look at people like Maldini and say I'm wrong but I'm sure he's not the captain because of how long he has been at Milan. He actually is a good captain cuz he can lead the team.
 
RuneEdge said:
The way I see it is that you're only a good captain if you fit the characteristics I mentioned. I understand there are exceptions like Del Piero and Raul but that just means they are bad captains. If you are a captain because of your service to the club then you're just a bad captain.

Cantona wasnt at Man Utd for a long time but once our last captain left, he took the band because it was the right man to give it too. Ryan Giggs has been at our club for longer than anyone else yet Roy Keane is out captain cuz he too is the right man to give it too. Stevie G is still young but captaining a big club like Liverpool because of his characteristics like the ones I mentioned. You might look at people like Maldini and say I'm wrong but I'm sure he's not the captain because of how long he has been at Milan. He actually is a good captain cuz he can lead the team.
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West Ham have Nigel Reo - Coker as captain and he's only about 20 which is a similar age to when Tony adams became our captain.

I completely agree with Runedge that if you have the qualities it doesn't matter about how long you've been at a club.
 
I think it matters a lot. I cannot see Beckham being captain of Real Madrid, even though he's a fighter and can lead the team. It'd just be wrong. He doesn't represent the history and the meaning of the club. Raúl is captain because nobody can lead the team as he does, but also because he's been here for a long time. Casillas has been less time than Roberto Carlos though, and I can see him being a better captain than the Brazilian. Michel Salgado on the contrary wouldn't make such a good captain even if he spent a million years - he's just not involved enough.

That's what I meant, it's a compromise of the three factors. I wouldn't ever allow Ronaldo or Zidane to be our captain, no matter how long they stayed here. But Figo would've been a great one. As Helguera will some time from now, I can see it.
 
Thats probably true but being at the club for a long time isnt as important as the other factors.
 
I'm sorry, but I fail to see how you dont understand something so simple.

If you had a choice of either picking a captain that has been at the club for longer or one that can actually do the job better than anyone else at the club, why would you pick the first guy?
 
No... You were saying that a captain, who was captain because of his service has to be bad captain. That isn't presumable at all. Why should one be a bad captain, when he has been long at the club?
 
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