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"Unreal" engine has been the biggest disappointment that I can remember as a gamer. UFL looks and moves like a turd (albeit still better than eShite), so the engine is either not what it was cracked up to be or just isn't well suited to football games.
 
staffan said:
"Unreal" engine has been the biggest disappointment that I can remember as a gamer. UFL looks and moves like a turd (albeit still better than eShite), so the engine is either not what it was cracked up to be or just isn't well suited to football games.
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But UFL isnt on the latest Unreal.
 
After sitting don, this game has a lot of great ideas. The most nuanced game I ever played. Full Manual of course.

Shame there´s a lot of bouncing ball bugs, and the graphics are still bad. Though this has potential, compare its animation (best in industry) to UFL looking like FIFA 12 still... I hope the 1.00 comes thru...
 
staffan said:
"Unreal" engine has been the biggest disappointment that I can remember as a gamer. UFL looks and moves like a turd (albeit still better than eShite), so the engine is either not what it was cracked up to be or just isn't well suited to football games.
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That doesn't say anything about the engine. If you're not talented, you can use any engine and your game will always be shit.
 
absolutely right but how they could mess up a game with an Engine its for years on the market (UE) and they can handle developing a completely new one and do better? (Fox)

PES 2014 was a disaster too but not the way efootball still is...
 
elloco said:
absolutely right but how they could mess up a game with an Engine its for years on the market (UE) and they can handle developing a completely new one and do better? (Fox)

PES 2014 was a disaster too but not the way efootball still is...
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FOX was being built in-house at the same time, it was 'easier' for them to find solutions for issues when they had the engineers and programmers of the engine working in the same building. PES running on FOX Engine was promising in its first iteration, anyone remember M.A.S.S? Or how fluid and realistic the animations were? A lot of the stuff was being developed from the ground up. Then the internal struggle between Konami and Kojima got out of hand and the engine stopped being actively updated and worked on. You can even see them scale things down with PES 2015. Julien Merceron, the head behind FOX Engine, left Konami around the time MGS V was released.

They're not building things from scratch with UE, they're taking whatever skeletons they can from FOX and using UE to fill in the gaps.

The goal was never to have a cutting-edge football game, it was always to have a barebones, easy to maintain base that can be used for all versions (mobile, console and high-end computers). This is why they chose UE, it scales very well between all these different platforms, if that's your goal. You can also push it very hard and have cutting-edge results, but what they want is to maintain a single version of the game that can be updated across the board instead of having to maintain and develop 2 versions of the game. It's cheaper, it's easier.

If you look at eFootball for what it wants to be, it's successful. They develop for mobile first, which is why animation quality, AI, physics, game modes, gameplay direction/design and so forth are so basic, and then scale the graphical assets up for the console and PC versions. This is also why crossplay was a huge deal for them.
 
Also, I don't know if this was always their strategy, I believe it was not. Mainly because the communication we got from the PES team when they announced the switch to UE was that they would maintain 2 versions of the game. One FOX Engine version for older systems and one UE version for new systems.

I think they may have changed strategy when they realized it made no sense to run one dated version of the FOX Engine for old consoles when even the mobile game was already using UE. Would also explain the change at the top, with the guy in charge of the mobile version being now put in charge of the console/PC versions and essentially running everything. And it would explain why the former guy in charge was talking about the game being cutting edge when they announced it.
 
Shikashi said:
Also, I don't know if this was always their strategy, I believe it was not. Mainly because the communication we got from the PES team when they announced the switch to UE was that they would maintain 2 versions of the game. One FOX Engine version for older systems and one UE version for new systems.
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I've lost count of the number of times I've had to point out that this is an article of faith not supported by the evidence.

There's one mention of such a strategy in an obscure Russian interview, likely through two layers of translation and it's a line that even in the English can be interpreted other ways too.

In particular the bolded claim is false. The interview I mention here was from 2018, years before the UE announcement. The rumour merchants resuscitated it periodically though, including a lot over the year before eFootball eventually released.
 
janguv said:
I've lost count of the number of times I've had to point out that this is an article of faith not supported by the evidence.

There's one mention of such a strategy in an obscure Russian interview, likely through two layers of translation and it's a line that even in the English can be interpreted other ways too.

In particular the bolded claim is false. The interview I mention here was from 2018, years before the UE announcement. The rumour merchants resuscitated it periodically though, including a lot over the year before eFootball eventually released.
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Legit thought it came from a tweet from one of those guys that Konami hires from the community, my apologies.

So disregard that last post then.
 
Shikashi said:
Legit thought it came from a tweet from one of those guys that Konami hires from the community, my apologies.

So disregard that last post then.
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No problem haha.

I mean, you could still be right that they had a Plan A and changed tack to a Plan B. I'm not convinced, myself.

I'm sure the pandemic threw a few spanners in the works, but I think they probably decided on a cross-platform, mobile-compatible streamlined lootbox machine a good while ago. I think the gradual branding changes (Pro Evolution Soccer > eFootball PES > eFootball) point in that direction, the success of the mobile game, as well as their revenue model across games for many years now. And the stated intent also some years back to move all their efforts into mobile, after which we saw them abandon pretty much all their valuable console IP.
 
See the information!

Fuck Konami, EA and UFL.
There is a strong rumor that 2K Sports is going to buy the FIFA license. And, if that really happens, virtual football could go through a huge leap in "revolutionary" quality just like the NBA.

Well, I'm from Brazil, and I don't speak English. And I also have no influence.
But you, the big users of the forum (moderators, administrators), can create a mobilization.
- We support 2K to develop the biggest virtual football simulator.

Post on twitter, official website, in short, it is necessary to be present in this worldwide support. A kind of mantra of our deep desire.

There's no point in just complaining. Crying. Sharing melancholy. Typing 8000 line posts. Nothing will change! Understand this my dear friends!
If we want change, we need to go straight to the point. 2K Sports.

In Rally simulator games, it was with requests from the community that Codemasters responded, producing the Dirt Rally series (focused on the simulation of the sport).

I think the same can happen with the FOOTBALL we love so much.
The evoweb, is a great world forum. Full of genius users, experts, idealists, etc.

So, that's what I had to say. Thanks.

Sorry for the bad English, but I'm doing what I can within my limitations. Ok
 
drigOrange said:
See the information!

Fuck Konami, EA and UFL.
There is a strong rumor that 2K Sports is going to buy the FIFA license. And, if that really happens, virtual football could go through a huge leap in "revolutionary" quality just like the NBA.

Well, I'm from Brazil, and I don't speak English. And I also have no influence.
But you, the big users of the forum (moderators, administrators), can create a mobilization.
- We support 2K to develop the biggest virtual football simulator.

Post on twitter, official website, in short, it is necessary to be present in this worldwide support. A kind of mantra of our deep desire.

There's no point in just complaining. Crying. Sharing melancholy. Typing 8000 line posts. Nothing will change! Understand this my dear friends!
If we want change, we need to go straight to the point. 2K Sports.

In Rally simulator games, it was with requests from the community that Codemasters responded, producing the Dirt Rally series (focused on the simulation of the sport).

I think the same can happen with the FOOTBALL we love so much.
The evoweb, is a great world forum. Full of genius users, experts, idealists, etc.

So, that's what I had to say. Thanks.

Sorry for the bad English, but I'm doing what I can within my limitations. Ok
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2K are notorious for annually releasing bad, broken sports titles. It's very rare that the deliver a good sports titles that isn't buggy, broken or full of microtransactions.
 
Paynekiller said:
2K are notorious for annually releasing bad, broken sports titles. It's very rare that the deliver a good sports titles that isn't buggy, broken or full of microtransactions.
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Have never played a 2K sports game, but from what I tend to hear, isn't it normally more of a mixed bag – i.e., sometimes the gameplay has been sim-based and good, and career-mode engaging, but also full of crappy MTX?
 
janguv said:
Have never played a 2K sports game, but from what I tend to hear, isn't it normally more of a mixed bag – i.e., sometimes the gameplay has been sim-based and good, and career-mode engaging, but also full of crappy MTX?
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For me that's the case. All companies are swimming in the same lake of shite.

But for the given shite everyone tries to achieve, and in the given context of: online casino, lootboxes, MTX, grey-advertisement, forced and sneaky product placement, at least they can also offer the most full package, NOT THE IDEAL FULL PACKAGE for every crowd, but at least better in terms of quality,gameplay, content, presentation,game modes, online modes, offline modes, sliders, etc..

And just keep in mind, at least in Basketball where they sweeped the contest, by knocking out EA Sports (NBA Live), they did it clearly in terms of quality (GamePlay) since the NBA license, is pretty much open to everyone, no exclusivities., and the time they eliminated NBA Live, MTX income was not the No1 fiscal priority.

If you ask me,.if i believe that they will be more good hearted than EA and KONAMI, my answer is CLEARLY NO, they may even be more malicious.

But if you ask me, can they deliver something better than the others, while keeping the same shite as the others, than answer is YES, or maybe YES, or at least, why not give them a chance to try..
 
drigOrange said:
See the information!

Fuck Konami, EA and UFL.
There is a strong rumor that 2K Sports is going to buy the FIFA license. And, if that really happens, virtual football could go through a huge leap in "revolutionary" quality just like the NBA.

Well, I'm from Brazil, and I don't speak English. And I also have no influence.
But you, the big users of the forum (moderators, administrators), can create a mobilization.
- We support 2K to develop the biggest virtual football simulator.

Post on twitter, official website, in short, it is necessary to be present in this worldwide support. A kind of mantra of our deep desire.

There's no point in just complaining. Crying. Sharing melancholy. Typing 8000 line posts. Nothing will change! Understand this my dear friends!
If we want change, we need to go straight to the point. 2K Sports.

In Rally simulator games, it was with requests from the community that Codemasters responded, producing the Dirt Rally series (focused on the simulation of the sport).

I think the same can happen with the FOOTBALL we love so much.
The evoweb, is a great world forum. Full of genius users, experts, idealists, etc.

So, that's what I had to say. Thanks.

Sorry for the bad English, but I'm doing what I can within my limitations. Ok
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have you saw what 2k has done with nba 2k

2k13 and 14 were great nba simulation titles, since then....
 
I completely missed the part where Konami removed the option to buy earlier versions of PES - Even 2021 is unavailable! Was going to get one my old school PES mates to grab it cheap and play a few online games but it turns out they took it off digital marketplaces (to buy) on Dec 9. So unless you had them bought or downloaded before, you can't buy any version of PES that has, you know, TEAMS IN IT

Konami business strategies are some next level... something
 
Isslander said:
I completely missed the part where Konami removed the option to buy earlier versions of PES - Even 2021 is unavailable! Was going to get one my old school PES mates to grab it cheap and play a few online games but it turns out they took it off digital marketplaces (to buy) on Dec 9. So unless you had them bought or downloaded before, you can't buy any version of PES that has, you know, TEAMS IN IT

Konami business strategies are some next level... something
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You and your old school PES mates WILL play with the 9 partner clubs™ of eFootball™ and you WILL feel POWERFUL™ when doing so!
 
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