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English Premier League thread

Liverpool is media's darlings at the moment because they've not been in the top 4 discussion for a while. It could have been Spurs, Everton or even Arsenal even though they're a typical top 4 team. It happened to be Liverpool and then the obligatory over-focus on Hillsborough and the usual Liverpool blabber comes along with it. Liverpool is a very emotional club, when someone dies there they die "for the club", when someone is born they're "born in the club", when someone fart the national anthem they do it "for the club". They stole a perfectly normal pop song and claim it's theirs for fucks sake so everyone knows that the scouser side of Liverpool isn't quite "normal" and we just have to accept that. Everything is always "bigger" in Liverpool FC, they're the USA of English Premier League in that respect. Like it or not, that's just how it is and it is a bit overwhelming for neutrals and anti-LFC'ers alike.

Liverpool deserve to be where they are, they've scored a massive amount of goals and play some very entertaining football. Being good is also about being lucky in the right moments, be it with ref's, goal posts and even sunlight. Let's not forget that Suarez set a world record in post shots a season ago or so, if we add those 20-some missed chances to LFC's goal tally and recalculate points LFC would be around the top then as well. That's basically how it goes in football. It's pointless to discuss this or that decision that went this or that way even though it does not even out over the course of a season. It evens out over the course of several seasons, maybe. This time Liverpool has the karma, the class and the charisma and let them enjoy it. You don't have to like it but you better accept it because even if they don't win they will be treated as heroes and the "spiritual" winners of the PL 2014.

Good luck.
 
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ZeroTheHero said:
Liverpool is media's darlings at the moment because they've not been in the top 4 discussion for a while. It could have been Spurs, Everton or even Arsenal even though they're a typical top 4 team. It happened to be Liverpool and then the obligatory over-focus on Hillsborough and the usual Liverpool blabber comes along with it. Liverpool is a very emotional club, when someone dies there they die "for the club", when someone is born they're "born in the club", when someone fart the national anthem they do it "for the club". They stole a perfectly normal pop song and claim it's theirs for fucks sake so everyone knows that the scouser side of Liverpool isn't quite "normal" and we just have to accept that. Everything is always "bigger" in Liverpool FC, they're the USA of English Premier League in that respect. Like it or not, that's just how it is and it is a bit overwhelming for neutrals and anti-LFC'ers alike.

Liverpool deserve to be where they are, they've scored a massive amount of goals and play some very entertaining football. Being good is also about being lucky in the right moments, be it with ref's, goal posts and even sunlight. Let's not forget that Suarez set a world record in post shots a season ago or so, if we add those 20-some missed chances to LFC's goal tally and recalculate points LFC would be around the top then as well. That's basically how it goes in football. It's pointless to discuss this or that decision that went this or that way even though it does not even out over the course of a season. It evens out over the course of several seasons, maybe. This time Liverpool has the karma, the class and the charisma and let them enjoy it. You don't have to like it but you better accept it because even if they don't win they will be treated as heroes and the "spiritual" winners of the PL 2014.

Good luck.
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Good post. Agree with the first and the second paragraph.
I kind of like the emtional way Liverpool treats things and is treaten. On the other hand i was shocked by a picture pipa posted from yesterday's memorial for Hillsborough.
There is a picture where a fan has some sort of scarf in Liverpool colours where football victims of disaster are wished to rest in peace. The scrf mentions some tragedies: Ibrox and Hilsborough among others. What shocked me was that the victims of Heysel aren't mentioned. For a club that deals in emtions (in a way that attracts me) the ommission of Heysel is shocking. Of course it could well be that the scarf was not an official Liverpool product.

I feel shocked because i had tickets for that match in 1985 and this in Stand Z were the victims fell. In the end we never went to the match because i had my most important final exam the day after the match. The people who got our tickets lived it all and their story was shocking. One of the things they told uswas that too much blame was put on the Liverpool fans although in the end they did made the charge that caused the panick that led to the stampede and the death of 27 football fans. According to our acquaintances it all started when Italian fans started to harass an English father with kids. Things escalated and some Liverpool fans crossed a fence in order to help the father and his kids. Other fans misunderstood and charged... I don't condemn Liverpool for the Heysel drama. 90% of the blame lays with our police, our autorities, the Belgian FA and UEFA...nevetheless it shocked me that the Heysel victims weren't mentioned on that scarf. To me it was some of stain on the memorial yesterday...
 
Luck is something that happens which is not of your doing. Hitting the post is not unlucky. It's an inaccurate shot.
Getting favorable decisions by a third party is luck (or corruption)

As for Heysel, LFC were shameful in how they handled it.
 
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It's a litle bit harsh to say that hitting the post is inaccuracy...
What if a shot hits the post and then in goal: is that extreme accuracy ?

As for referee decisions: there is a problem. But most people think the problem is the poor quality of the refs. I don't agree with that. The rules are the problem: the rules haven't followed the football evolution. We watch 21th century football that is regulated (on and off the pitch) with 19th century rules.

Penalties and corners are the most obvious example. If a ref apllies the rules he can award a penalty every time there is a corner. FIFA or UEFA should make a statement and either change the rules (the obvious solution) or issue orders for the refs that every contact should indeed result in a penalty. A defender holds an attacker: penalty, no matter how low the impact was...

It infuriates me that refs don't give fouls in the box, for offenses that everywhere else on the pitch should be given...This is absurd with the rules that are used now.
 
Godotelli said:
Luck is something that happens which is not of your doing.
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You know, if you hit the ball just right or just a tad too much on the side can most definitely connect with luck. The ball bounces on a field which has nothing to do with "your own doing" but it surely affects the point of impact.

Luck in regards to referee's; The ref looks away in the "right" or "wrong" moment. Another player gets in the way of the ref's vision or similar, not necessarily your doing or intentional but it happens. "Coincidence in your favor" is luck.

You can't say that Suarez has magically become a completely different finisher this season compared to last, when the difference between last years finishers and this years are mere millimeters and centimeters in a sport that uses meters as measurements. So, I stand firmly by my statement.

By the way, who's the nitpicker now? :D

PS. Why aren't there any "Justice for the 39" plaque's on Anfield? Oh right... ;)
 
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gerd said:
It's a litle bit harsh to say that hitting the post is inaccuracy...
What if a shot hits the post and then in goal: is that extreme accuracy ?

As for referee decisions: there is a problem. But most people think the problem is the poor quality of the refs. I don't agree with that. The rules are the problem: the rules haven't followed the football evolution. We watch 21th century football that is regulated (on and off the pitch) with 19th century rules.

Penalties and corners are the most obvious example. If a ref apllies the rules he can award a penalty every time there is a corner. FIFA or UEFA should make a statement and either change the rules (the obvious solution) or issue orders for the refs that every contact should indeed result in a penalty. A defender holds an attacker: penalty, no matter how low the impact was...

It infuriates me that refs don't give fouls in the box, for offenses that everywhere else on the pitch should be given...This is absurd with the rules that are used now.
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But it is inaccuracy. The aim is to put the ball between the posts. Sure, it'd be harsh to slag someone off for hitting the post from, say, 30 yards. Tho it'd be less harsh from 1 yard.

If the player is aiming to score by hitting the post and does so then, yea, that'd be high accuracy.

I agree about the regulations of football being behind the times. Football is a lot quicker nowadays. When I see overweight or old refs I can't help but laugh.
 
ZeroTheHero said:
You know, if you hit the ball just right or just a tad too much on the side can most definitely connect with luck. The ball bounces on a field which has nothing to do with "your own doing" but it surely affects the point of impact.

Luck in regards to referee's; The ref looks away in the "right" or "wrong" moment. Another player gets in the way of the ref's vision or similar, not necessarily your doing or intentional but it happens. "Coincidence in your favor" is luck.

You can't say that Suarez has magically become a completely different finisher this season compared to last, when the difference between last years finishers and this years are mere millimeters and centimeters in a sport that uses meters as measurements. So, I stand firmly by my statement.

By the way, who's the nitpicker now? :D

PS. Why aren't there any "Justice for the 39" plaque's on Anfield? Oh right... ;)
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Well, yea, you can score a fluke goal for example. But that's still inaccuracy. It's not being good. The fluke shot isn't under your control by definition. I should make it clear tho that my post was in reply to you saying "Being good is also about being lucky".

As for Suarez' finishing. I don't agree. Going from hitting the post a lot and narrowly missing to not isn't being "a completely different finisher", it's just being a little better. Even the best players improve with practice. And outside elements like becoming more settled in new surroundings etc. can help.
 
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Might be an off- topic subject. I read this about wages and some clubs went up and others went down on the rankings. To compete wages is very much part of the game. Arsenal came from (15) to (11) and they might just get a trophy possibly. Chelsea has changed (-minus, top striker wages)and FFP might have clubs moderating.

http://www.sportingintelligence.com...rs-rm-barca-best-paid-in-global-sport-150401/
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I always wonder how they come up with these averages.
These are based on last season's wage bills (they can't be that accurate without the end of year club accounts) and so, as far as City are concerned, includes 30m of payoffs for Mancini and his staff.
Also, some clubs don't include image rights in the yearly wage bill. City do.

I can't be arsed to read the whole review but it would seem that they just take the reported wage bill and divide it by the number of players in the squad


Obviously we pay good wages but we're not at the top. And definitely not now (this season) with the dead wood gone.
 
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bebo said:
Might be an off- topic subject. I read this about wages and some clubs went up and others went down on the rankings. To compete wages is very much part of the game. Arsenal came from (15) to (11) and they might just get a trophy possibly. Chelsea has changed (-minus, top striker wages)and FFP might have clubs moderating.

http://www.sportingintelligence.com...rs-rm-barca-best-paid-in-global-sport-150401/
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Ours will have gone up with league-win bonuses last year: I've always wondered if those are permanent or a one-off. Either way, we're in real trouble with the decrease in revenue we'll see sans European football.

Then again, we look guaranteed to lose Vidic, Ferdinand, Giggs and Evra - and those 4 are likely to be right at the top of the wage earners.

If you read Soccernomics, basically wage bill = success in football. So if Arsenal are spending more, that's a good sign of success to come. Unfortunately it tends to be spend against your peers - and Arsenal are always going to struggle to match City and Chelsea.

The most surprising thing on there for me is that Real and Barca aren't top. I'd always thought they were miles ahead of anyone else.
 
yeah his legs just got in his way when he tried to crawl his way to the ball. Really odd.

Then again, Nasri was clumsy not to finish it just after.
 
PIPA23 said:
Lot of empty seats at Etihad stadium...
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There weren't that many when I got there. Traffic was horrible and there were quite a lot of us still entering the stadium 20-30 mins into the game.

Still, wish I had left my seat empty after that turgid shite!
 
Godotelli said:
Well, yea, you can score a fluke goal for example. But that's still inaccuracy.
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Pissing in the ocean isn't going to make a whole lot of difference. I love you by the way Godotelli... You're a entertaining guy so don't shoot me because I disagree completely. please :)
 
Godotelli said:
There weren't that many when I got there. Traffic was horrible and there were quite a lot of us still entering the stadium 20-30 mins into the game.

Still, wish I had left my seat empty after that turgid shite!
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yeah well i was thinking it´s game over after the goal you scored, then i watched everton and keep the game going, but... Sunderland were shite, you were as well tonight..if it was Chelsea playing or other team stronger it would be difficult..don´t know what is wrong with City players.. aren´t they motivated enough, they earn shit load of money.. City clearly need to change the phylosophy..if they don´t win a big trophy soon with the players they have.. Liverpool got rid of high earners who underperformed and look where we are now..
 
The big earners, like Kompany, Yaya, Silva, Aguero are worth every penny ( in context of modern football) The title was lost earlier in the season away from home. We have something like the 8th best away record even tho we have been good away since the start of December. We should have been top by a few points with 2 games in hand before the game at Anfield hand (based on the expectation of not losing all 4 games against Cardiff, Sunderland, Villa, Chelsea)
A game like tonight without Yaya, Silva and a fit Aguero can happen, we drew at home to Sunderland in the title winning year. For all the thrashings we have dealt out we have always playing catchup from the first few away games.
The main problem tonight was having to rely on garbage like Garcia. United aren't the only team in Manchester with a CM problem. We have 2 good CMs and that's it. Should never have let Barry go. Aguero missing 20 games hasn't helped.

There are 3 players that are suspect mentally imo. Nasri, Kolarov and Dzeko. They're fairweather wimpy types. When the going gets tough they fuck off. Nasri has been better this year but has been going missing again recently. He hasn't been as good since his injury vs Newcastle tbh. The fact that he always plays shite at the Emirates says quite a lot about his mental strength imo
 
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It is the beauty and the beast of football. Everybody wants to see the likes of Agüreo, Silva and Sabaleto (or whoever) succeed but the numbers (facts) remain that there are more to football than just plain statistics.

I personally think Chelsea, Man City and the likes are an atrocity in football but I am also perfectly aware of the fact that I would probably be of a different opinion had the situation been different in "my club".

If LFC wins, despite the fact that I despise that club with a passion (for no good reason that I would care to elaborate), it would be a victory for football.

Not because they milk the emotional side with hillsborough because that's just another disgusting side with the club (biased opinion) but the fact remains that they have in fact played some amazing football and learned from other clubs that have played them out of their socks in recent years. There are (at least) two ways to approach an uphill struggle and LFC has done it masterfully. They have bought (fairly) cheap, they've evolved talent and they've reaped the product in a way that everybody in PL would and should envy.

If you can't appreciate that then you're a sorry mother***** that doesn't see football through your fat biased eyes. I'm admittedly biased as hell and despise LFC with a passion for no god reason. That's mostly because the LFC fans I've met are generally dimwitted a-holes that can't tell the differencfe between bacon and smoked chicken but that's beside the point. Being mad because an unlikely club is being good enough and lucky enough to probably win the league is just simply pathetic. Take a breather, sit back and ponder the facts for a moment and realize that that just how it is.

PS. fucks sake I struggle to be even remotely coherent because I'm a bit drunk today... I'll consider editing this post or add somethginf tomorrow if needed. Have good one folsk. Havanna Rum is the shit... I'm just saying... :) EDIt 2: Sorry if I offended anyone... it wasn't on purpose.
 
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THe funny thing is that I don't really despise them, you could say I was exaggerating a bit which is perfectly normal while under the influence. Anyway, I don't like Liverpool mainly because they are a bit overwhelming which I explained in an earlier post. I understand that's a perfectly good reason to love the club as well.

Anyway, it looks like LFC are going to be champions and that doesn't bother me one bit, it's well deserved.

PS. Funny that I actually realized I was talking jibberish, I was prepared to write on for hours without getting anywhere :)
Luckily I rarely drink and I hope this won't happen again, sorry.
 
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No apology needed Zero.
I love this forum for all it's open mindedness and opinions from it's diverse members. So many dedicated fan forums are desperately biased and I can't discuss anything with these people!
Who am I or any of us to judge an opinion?
I love football first and happen to be a Liverpool fan second.
I appreciate good football from whoever plays it.

Please don't give up alcohol!
 
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