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robsk said:
Of course it's subjective - and yes, above all I agree about the ban on lootboxes. I just think Konami are mad to think they can compete with FIFA in this way.
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Well firstly, They aren't just competing with FIFA anymore, They're competing with all online F2P and pay to win games now.

They're competing for consumers regular cashflow not just football gaming fans initial annual investment, and there's only so much money your average working class gamer is willing to invest per month on their favourite game and if one game frustrates them or isn't fulfilling enough, they'll move on and find another that is. Like I said, It's not just football, if they don't get their buzz from PES or FIFA, they'll migrate over to CoD, Fortnite, APEX, PUBG etc.

Secondly Konami might not match FIFA in terms of revenue regarding myClub vs FUT but they still make a damn lot of money either way so there's definitely incentive for them to carry on as they are.
 
janguv said:
I'm not sure tbh. First, I don't think that selling copies is the main objective. It's good of course, but the more important thing is to hook the right sort of customer and have them spend bucketloads on loot boxes. And second, "the best" is pretty subjective – to many in the online/esports world, the best game is one which feels slick on the ball (something PES has been focussing on) and one where team shape, defensive AI, general off-the-ball patterns of play are not that important. And given the online world is where the MTX revenue comes from, I don't think a game catered to people who prefer a game with more attention to realism is as profitable.

The best thing for football games in general would be a comprehensive ban on lootboxes, say at the EU level at least. Only then would players who don't play myClub again become viable customers you have to spend a lot of time and money trying to satisfy.
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agree here. The lootbox audience is the bigger and easier to catch fish compared to the gamble of releasing „the best“ football game. And i agree once more, „the best“ is subjective so it’s even more of a gamble for a company.
i don’t know what happened the last 20 years, sure companies wanted to make money too back then. Maybe there was a tad more customer orientation and tad less greed. I don’t know. It’s just sad and I hope some day there will be a shift in how companies see the customer and/or the customer is evolving into… I don’t know.
Aaahhh…let’s just watch the euros! :BYE:
 
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"The Ultimate Stage", Konami announce to have a stadium built on the moon :D
 
janguv said:
I don't know if the "sprint system" (i.e. a button mapping) needed changing, but if somehow they make it adaptive as they're hinting then fine. Defending probably did need changing, but this is a half-baked FIFA tactical defending setting at present. With no second-man press as it stands, yes your team retains shape, but not in anything like a realistic manner (nobody moves from their position!). They also, as yet, don't have the ability to switch using the right stick (and the automated/L1 switch options are pants), which makes defending lanes, anticipating attacks etc. almost impossible. Again, usual caveats: they may well bring these things in. Concerning if they don't though.

Another thing about the defending system – the esports community as it stands already complains about "auto-defending", by which they mean the AI defenders getting into good defensive positions, anticipating attacks etc. Their preference, in order to increase the competitive "skill gap", is that the human player do as much of the defending as possible. So it's a slight concern to see the beta has no options right now for the things I've mentioned. It could signal a new direction to appease the esports crowd.

I disagree about this. I'm also FUMA, and I also got the legacy target locking issues. I imagine they'll always be there to a degree, when the intended pass receiver isn't clear to the game.

There are other things to write about though. What about passing itself? It seemed a bit more predetermined for me, on FUMA. What about ball physics? I'm unsure, but they don't look as realistic as before. What about offensive AI movement? What about space between the lines? I thought in my first couple of games there might have been more of a midfield battle, but I think I was seduced by the camera pan getting so tight I wasn't seeing the rest of the pitch.

Yeah it's early, and I'm reserving judgement, but it's a strange one. If being redesigned from the "ground up", certain things you would think would be better even in an early demo.
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Sprint I think definitely needed a change. Double tapping R1 was a PS2 era solution. With haptic feedback and adaptive triggers you have way more depth and options to your sprinting mechanic. R2 might get harder to push if players are tired for instance, simple but effective way to make your stamina bar intuitive.

With defending I do agree. I like the direction they are going but if it got released with this AI and aggressiveness levels it would be a car crash.

Play r selection will be there but as I said my experience was way better compared to last two games even with this build.

Passes will be better in final build with ball freedom and weight. I'm sure that will be tweaked.

Offensive AI seems almost same, so I hope it gets sorted. PES players are absolutely terrible at identifying spaces. That being said I saw an improvement on wide channels.
 
barlasarda said:
Passes will be better in final build with ball freedom and weight. I'm sure that will be tweaked.
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I sure hope you are right but I'm pretty sure this isn't anything Konami would want. It would mean that the online- scoring- fest- constant pressing- people acctually would have to think a little bit. And, scary thought, some matches could even end 0-0. :SHOCK:


I'm just glad Manual passing exist since that crowd is pretty big even online nowadays.
 
Just imagine guys, up until now Konami have had two games a year excluding mobile. They have had Pes2021 and Pes2021 lite for example. The lite version is essentially Pes2021 just cut out several of the game modes and online only. Essentially the online side is the same. Two games doing the same job in the same exact way but still with the same objective, trying to take money from players.

What if one year Konami decided, lets make a brand new online only game completely separate from the core game. This online only game allows players to pay for "Pesbucks" where they could purchase players, accessories, emotes, dances.

Players could form groups and ready up towards the "match". Each match would consist of 22 (or 20 minus cpu goalkeepers), randomly selected players (or random groups) where their objective is to work as a team to win the "match".

Now a "match" could be the standard affair, but some may randomly for a number of minutes of the match introduce random weather for example. Imagine the last 10 minutes of the match in moon gravity or another 10 minutes in strong wind blowing the ball across the pitch. This randomness offers surprises to each game.

If the players win, they will then obtain experience which they could then gain higher levels. They may even spend their Pesbucks on a "playerpass" that allows them better access to players. Maybe they may buy Ronaldo this time and that is who they may play as this time.

Who needs fortnite or any battle royale type game, its very possible that in the future the next battle royale game is a football game.

Its weird that we have a new online in-testing football game that is not called Pes. Why would Konami want to test the online servers when they already have current games across pc, console and mobile that is doing that right now, they should already know the load that a server could take. They have enough data across the platforms to gauge this. Maybe they need to test even higher numbers for a new type of online game. Just imagine guys.
 
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predator002 said:
Just imagine guys, up until now Konami have had two games a year excluding mobile. They have had Pes2021 and Pes2021 lite for example. The lite version is essentially Pes2021 just cut out several of the game modes and online only. Essentially the online side is the same. Two games doing the same job in the same exact way but still with the same objective, trying to take money from players.

What if one year Konami decided, lets make a brand new online only game completely separate from the core game. This online only game allows players to pay for "Pesbucks" where they could purchase players, accessories, emotes, dances.

Players could form groups and ready up towards the "match". Each match would consist of 22 (or 20 minus cpu goalkeepers), randomly selected players (or random groups) where their objective is to work as a team to win the "match".

Now a "match" could be the standard affair, but some may randomly for a number of minutes of the match introduce random weather for example. Imagine the last 10 minutes of the match in moon gravity or another 10 minutes in strong wind blowing the ball across the pitch. This randomness offers surprises to each game.

If the players win, they will then obtain experience which they could then gain higher levels. They may even spend their Pesbucks on a "playerpass" that allows them better access to players. Maybe they may buy Ronaldo this time and that is who they may play as this time.

Who needs fortnite or any battle royale type game, its very possible that in the future the next battle royale game is a football game.

Its weird that we have a new online only football game that is not called Pes. Why would Konami want to test the online servers when they already have current games across pc, console and mobile that is doing that right now, they should already know the load that a server could take. They have enough data across the platforms to gauge this. Maybe they need to test even higher numbers for a new type of online game. Just imagine guys.
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i can see a kinda similar behaviour by konami, only they scrap all different versions and go with only one version (UE) that can be delivered to all systems. for sure, the smallest common denominator is key here in not evolving the series. ^^ but hey, less work, more money! ;)
i hope i am wrong but i can potentially (and sadly) see that scenario before my inner eye!
 



As someone who works in marketing, this absolutely REEKS of someone saying to the social media team "look at all the awful feedback online and in the survey, we have to say SOMETHING to calm them down or it's just going to snowball".

The fact that this tweet comes out of the blue, almost one week after the release of "New Football Game", just backs that up.*

The language is a giveaway - you can hear the exclamation marks.

"This is a limited (!!!) test."

"Gameplay" - notice how that's the first bullet-point in the list, too - "will (!!) be improved."

...but "improve" says to me that this is definitely the base (but then, obviously it is, they've not created this code for a laugh).

*The top comment underneath it just echoes how tired loyal (and frankly desperate) fans are. Though of course, there will be those who argue that it's just spoilt gamer rage more than anything, which I can't 100% disagree with.

 
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Chris Davies said:



As someone who works in marketing, this absolutely REEKS of someone saying to the social media team "look at all the awful feedback online and in the survey, we have to say SOMETHING to calm them down or it's just going to snowball".

The fact that this tweet comes out of the blue, almost one week after the release of "New Football Game", just backs that up.**

The language is a giveaway - you can hear the exclamation marks.

"This is a limited (!!!) test."

"Gameplay" - notice how that's the first bullet-point in the list, too - "will (!!) be improved."

...but "improve" says to me that this is definitely the base (but then, obviously it is, they've not created this code for a laugh).

**The top comment underneath it just echoes how tired loyal (and frankly desperate) fans are. Though of course, there will be those who argue that it's just spoilt gamer rage more than anything, which I can't 100% disagree with.

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I really wonder who handles PR, Marketing and Social Media for PES. It's been a shit show for years now
 
Chris Davies said:



As someone who works in marketing, this absolutely REEKS of someone saying to the social media team "look at all the awful feedback online and in the survey, we have to say SOMETHING to calm them down or it's just going to snowball".

The fact that this tweet comes out of the blue, almost one week after the release of "New Football Game", just backs that up.**

The language is a giveaway - you can hear the exclamation marks.

"This is a limited (!!!) test."

"Gameplay" - notice how that's the first bullet-point in the list, too - "will (!!) be improved."

...but "improve" says to me that this is definitely the base (but then, obviously it is, they've not created this code for a laugh).

**The top comment underneath it just echoes how tired loyal (and frankly desperate) fans are. Though of course, there will be those who argue that it's just spoilt gamer rage more than anything, which I can't 100% disagree with.

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So, is it says us "this is not PES 2022 that you're waiting. It is just an online test version" ? Can I calm myself down now?
 
normazimuth said:
Just looking at the Steam charts, Rocket League still consistently gets 4-5 times more players than PES and about 2-3 times what FIFA gets
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The funny thing is 3-4 years ago, alot of people were leaving rocket league and people were calling it a dead game. And here we are in 2021 and it's still getting much more players than FIFA / PES. I am one of those people, I haven't touched fifa properly since 2020 began and I haven't touched Pes 2021 since around March. I just play Rocket League for some fun with my friends every day.
 
Buğra said:
So, is it says us "this is not PES 2022 that you're waiting. It is just an online test version" ?
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That is what they would like us to think. Whether it's true or not, nobody really knows for sure. But considering the changes compared to mobile versions (stadium announcer, next-gen controller overlays added, new cutscenes*, animations that link up with earlier trailers** etc.), in my opinion, this will be the base of the game.

*I really like this one, sounds silly but supporters leaving at half time and/or getting up and moving around isn't something I've seen replicated before:




**I know it's already been posted but:

 
Chris Davies said:

"Gameplay" - notice how that's the first bullet-point in the list, too - "will (!!) be improved."
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Only issue with this statement is that it also uses the word "changed" in the same line too. So I wouldn't read too much into what is a fairly generic and vague tweet anyway, At the very least then the gameplay will be an improvement of the test build and at the most it would be completely different gameplay altogether.
 
Chris Davies said:



As someone who works in marketing, this absolutely REEKS of someone saying to the social media team "look at all the awful feedback online and in the survey, we have to say SOMETHING to calm them down or it's just going to snowball".

The fact that this tweet comes out of the blue, almost one week after the release of "New Football Game", just backs that up.*

The language is a giveaway - you can hear the exclamation marks.

"This is a limited (!!!) test."

"Gameplay" - notice how that's the first bullet-point in the list, too - "will (!!) be improved."

...but "improve" says to me that this is definitely the base (but then, obviously it is, they've not created this code for a laugh).

*The top comment underneath it just echoes how tired loyal (and frankly desperate) fans are. Though of course, there will be those who argue that it's just spoilt gamer rage more than anything, which I can't 100% disagree with.

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"Gameplay will be changed and improved"

At first I was like *oh yeah.....will be changed...that´s a very good thing....*
But then the next word "improved". If you change it, why are you talking about improvement?
Or do they mean "change for the better cause that one you see right here is crap"??

KONAMI and their sentences....
 
chiefrocka4real said:
"Gameplay will be changed and improved"

At first I was like *oh yeah.....will be changed...that´s a very good thing....*
But then the next word "improved". If you change it, why are you talking about improvement?
Or do they mean "change for the better cause that one you see right here is crap"??

KONAMI and their sentences....
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"Changed and improved" feels like a potential copy change from "new and improved". The former of which is a nonsense phrase, the latter of which is a common one. Maybe someone's said "you can't say 'new and improved' because it's not going to be 'new'".

...even I'm laughing at the amount of micro-analysis now. We're mad. :D
 
chiefrocka4real said:
"Gameplay will be changed and improved"

At first I was like *oh yeah.....will be changed...that´s a very good thing....*
But then the next word "improved". If you change it, why are you talking about improvement?
Or do they mean "change for the better cause that one you see right here is crap"??

KONAMI and their sentences....
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I think they realise the fact that players don't want previous, clunky gameplay; want some new,fresh gameplay and they decided to change gameplay but I don't know how theye'll change it in 2 months.
 
If New Football Game Online Performance Test had no connection to PES 2022 / eFootball 2022 whatsoever then Konami / Official PES would have said so in that Tweet.

But as Chris said, they've panicked, Tweeted out that "gameplay etc will be improved" and haven't confirmed the theory that the awful online demo / beta is just PES Mobile and we will see a completely different PES 2022 on the new consoles.

PES 2022 is going to be what we've played already with better graphics and tweaks to the gameplay in my opinion. I see nothing online which suggests otherwise. It's a mess.

My opinion and this is all it is - I don't know what has actually been going on: Konami have really suffered financially because of the COVID-19 situation and they've stripped everything back. They know that 80-90% of the gamers who buy PES now are myClub Zombies. So they could release any lump of crap and the myClubbers will still buy it and we'll get the usual PES YouTubers (you know who they are) telling us that "The King is BACK! The pitch is OURS!"

I've never felt so disconnected from the football gaming scene. We all knew it was going to end this way but I think many of us held a tiny bit of hope that PES might return to its best one day.

Thank god for old PES games and mods.
 
Glad they are getting huge amount of backlash. In majority of the comments no one likes the game as it is, os at least the basis. Lets hope they do something about it, but hey its Konami.
 
I trust Konami full that this is not the game we`ll get in September or October this year. Just an online test. Let`s wait till July when the announcement is comming.
 
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Mikhail said:
But - why? It’s like saying “I trust Matt Hancock full.” At least let me know what I’m missing here?
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yeah, still i have hope but my trust with them is mostly gone!
i'd go as far as to say that its not my fault! ;)

edit: you can trust MH... to do some nonesense stuff, i guess! :LOL: i just heard about this guy and what happend last night. crazy i say! but not that different to whats happening amongst german policticians. ^^
 
Mikhail said:
If New Football Game Online Performance Test had no connection to PES 2022 / eFootball 2022 whatsoever then Konami / Official PES would have said so in that Tweet.

But as Chris said, they've panicked, Tweeted out that "gameplay etc will be improved" and haven't confirmed the theory that the awful online demo / beta is just PES Mobile and we will see a completely different PES 2022 on the new consoles.

PES 2022 is going to be what we've played already with better graphics and tweaks to the gameplay in my opinion. I see nothing online which suggests otherwise. It's a mess.

My opinion and this is all it is - I don't know what has actually been going on: Konami have really suffered financially because of the COVID-19 situation and they've stripped everything back. They know that 80-90% of the gamers who buy PES now are myClub Zombies. So they could release any lump of crap and the myClubbers will still buy it and we'll get the usual PES YouTubers (you know who they are) telling us that "The King is BACK! The pitch is OURS!"

I've never felt so disconnected from the football gaming scene. We all knew it was going to end this way but I think many of us held a tiny bit of hope that PES might return to its best one day.

Thank god for old PES games and mods.
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Konami have made record profits ever since they ditched AAA game development when Kojima left. They're not strapped for cash, at all.
Their other ventures have suffered because of COVID, but that's their hotels, spas and gyms. Their game division is extremely profitable. They invest very little and make bank on mobile games.
 
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