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Arsenal Thread

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Arsenal are a good team, but they have been hyped up by a media machine that wants to see them win all honours. Its typical media bollox. The media on the other hand will no doubt jizz themselves over Arsenal's "ferociousness" and "awe inspiring football" while ignoring United's domination and demolition of Kiev - away where some clubs failed to show up on Russian soil. Peter Drury was simply sickening last night on ITV. He may as well of confirmed that he has been a life long fan since a child - some of the tripe he came out with was truly cringe worthy when commenting on the game at the Emirates – The media will always be biased towards Arsenal revelling in thier success, due to them being a team from the capital. If it’s not their "amazing youngsters" (whom are not all together that young - most of which purchased, not produced), it’s their "God like" football.

Don't get me wrong the 7-0 scoreline is a fantastic result against any Champions League team. However I just cannot stand people jumping on the "Arsenal the Football Gods" wankfest bandwagon.

I think people should wait until December in the deep winter months when Arsenal have to play some tough teams who will take it to them before getting carried away. They have not played any of top 3 clubs such as Liverpool, United or Chelsea as of yet. That will be a true test to see if they really are genuine title contenders

Their football is only as 'pretty' as it was 2-3 years ago when they had the same problem; a lack of bottle against teams who'll stick the boot in. I don’t doubt that many dribbling invalids like pretty tricks and flicks, but with Arsenal it's not backed up by any real backbone or bottle. It never has been and I doubt ever will with Wenger at the helm. He prefers his soft tender kids to be all pretty and delicate in the way they play.

The lauding of Arsenal will look as desperate and agenda driven come February as the lauding of Liverpool at the beginning of the season when Liverpool triumphed over the Mighty Derby 6-0 to win the League in September the media had you believe. It's a shame to see that as with Liverpool, Arsenal fans have fallen into the trap of believing Arsenal have actually done something already by beating a few small time teams.
 
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Beliel said:
Don't get me wrong the 7-0 scoreline is a fantastic result against any Champions League team.
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Which is the only thing anyone has been saying.

The issue that you see probably doesn't exist and certainly if it does, does not exist here so why not just leave it there having said the one nice, correct and relevant thing above?

P.S

What is your background out of interest?

I have you down for a conspiricy theorist and quiet daytime reseacher of Nostradamus. Someone who has has a million and one photos cut out and plastered to the walls of your house with detailed and absurd connections between differing people written on them. Someone with a yearning to shoot at someone who is involved in the web of lies Whooooaaaa Haha :shock:

Only kiddin but man, but hey you don't half come across as having a chip on your shoulder.
 
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Have to agree with you Vanzant, I don't see your real issue beliel. Is it with commentators? Well it seems that way, but then you bash Arsenal and belittle their performances so far this year by saying we've only played minnows. That's what gobsmacks me, you're making something out of nothing. You're digging for and finding a way to put their performances down. Then if and when they day comes they lose you'll be ready and waiting with the "I told you so, I wrote it here in Chapter 12 - Paragraph 8 of my holy scriptures". Why as an Arsenal fan can I not be excited about our performances so far with 2 big games coming up? Why does it have to go any further than that? Based on what i have seen I believe we have a good chance of winning both games. It's not going to be easy, as these of course are big teams, nothing like the "stroll in the park pushover on the beer semi-pro lets have a kickabout Sunday league teams" you describe that we've faced so far. If they are that bad what are they doing in the Premiership? Have their players lost all motor skills? Roll on December cabrone, I'll be back to continue this discussion with you then.
 
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Funny stuff Vanzandt and Dermot ...

Arsenal gain 13 million during the summer and everyone, but SAF said "Arsenal will be better this term." Until now people are starting to say Arsenal looks good and before that it was all about liver and Spurs for crying out loud... monies and bank details and card readers :lol: don`t mean anything.imo the Media is only happy cause of Walcott an Englishmen


Also we beat manutd 2x liver 3x and chelsea drew 2x and still landed 4th :lmao: so give me a fuckìn break . RuneEdge said it best our weakness was weaker teams
 
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wow... could have predicted the Arsenal performance would cause a backlash from some, just didn't think it'd take so long...

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Liverpool were pish poor last night, but i'll expect them to be fired up on Sunday. Let's hope the run continues, as we've been playing some excellent football.

Will expect a VERY physical game next Saturday against United, but both teams are playing excellent football at the moment, so lets hope we don't cancel each other out.
 
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Bring on the Gooners!

Torres, Alonso and at hopefully Agger back. I'm expecting us to go at you, but if the crowd are flat from the start and you lot see most of the posession things will turn ugly and the knives will be ever so quickly descending on Rafa.
 
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The scousers will be fired up trust me. A win for us and we will be 9 ahead already which is big gap at this time of year, so they will really be looking to put one over on us. Really looking forward to it though. Thing is if they do come at us this sits perfect for our counter attacking style.
 
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i must admit i feared for the gooners when they lost henry but wengers done great, yhey play the best footy currently.
 
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Losing Henry allowed every other player in the squad to free themselves of his shadow and express their skills. Its looking good so far but there is a long way to go. Knowing Wenger he will just go by game to game. I am too.
 
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That 7-0 one result was amazing, its even got me questioning the game between us next Saturday..but 12 goals in our last 3 games mean where back to our best from last season, but the key to us winning against you is not letting you start your passing movement, cause when you start you just cut up any defence:l, Hopefully Rooney,Ronaldo and Tevez show up on the day[-o<

Btw that Result was amazing but the commentator gave me paralyzing cringes in the game:lmao: the one that litterally made me cringe the mosr was "For Arsenal and England" LMAO , just was a stupid comment when Arsenal are playing why involve England? where struggling to qualify for the Euro's in a piss poor group, the goal was for Arsenal not England, he isnt even in the England squad
 
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antred said:
i must admit i feared for the gooners when they lost henry but wengers done great, yhey play the best footy currently.
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They've done nothing yet of any importance for anyone to be able to summarise that they can cope without Henry. They could very well choke without a real experienced leader when faced with real tests. Beating a small time Czech pub team who saw visiting the Emirates as a day out in London is not a real test. Neither is it a good measure to judge how Arsenal can cope without their former captain

I remember the same fans were crowing and hyonotised into sheer frenzy last year after Arsenal began the campaign in a similar impressive fasion by beating Reading 4-0. Fans were going absolutley mental at the result. I had attempted on numerous occastions to provide an objective argument to urge the enthusiastics to think rather than go over the top with one's emotions and hysteria. Unrealistic expectations had reached untold heights.

I thought Arsenal having a barren season last year would have would provided some with a valuable lesson in perception. I gather now that there will always remain blickered and deluded enthusiastics; who until reality shines forth and exposes the cracks and flaws will remain biased. Its sometimes futile presenting a logical, rational and constructive argument as some will howl in derision that it is indeed hatred when it is simply presenting indisputable facts. You just have to look at the reaction to my criticism of the hype thats surrounded this club.

Until this current crop actually achieve something worth mentioning then, and only then can people laud how sufficient and superiour their style is without Henry. All this talk of Arsenal being 'Gods on Earth' is premature.
 
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Beliel said:
Beating a small time Czech pub team who saw visiting the Emirates as a day out in London is not a real test.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Now that's just taking the total piss! It's the Champions League! If the result had been 1-0 to Arsenal you might have been saying how lucky we were to escape from a team who could spring a surprise on any team at any time with a decent crop of players at their disposal, coming to London with a determined positive drive and purpose......

Until this current crop actually achieve something worth mentioning then, and only then can people laud how sufficient and superiour their style is without Henry. All this talk of Arsenal being 'Gods on Earth' is premature.

It's as if you haven't really read my responses to you earlier and you are just reading into your own Anti-Arsenalism, it's blatantly there no matter what way you dress it up, your alternative view can be appreciated but it's completely out of context in terms of the reaction of Arsenal fans in this thread, there is absolutely no harm in being excited as an Arsenal fan right now, bottom line the standard of football they have produced SO FAR this season has been MILES ahead of anyone elses, that's what excites me. I couldn't care less if they had this sure to happen MELTDOWN you prophisize, I'm pretty comfortable with my team at the moment and I know we are in with a shot of some silverware if I know we are capable of playing some of the football we've played. Deluded you say!!! DELUDED!!! That's just too funny, deluded by what? top of the league and unbeaten going into 2 big games on great form against big teams that have to win and may be feeling the pressure themselves? Bring it on.
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Czech pub team...hahahaha
 
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The demon returns, how did you manage to squirm your way back in Alucard?

Anyway it's just a matter of time before Wenger builds another team that rips everyone to shreds like the unbeaten 03/04 team, stop hating and sit back and admire the football on display.
 
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Dermot, just have a read of this article if you can and witness for yourself a player who has allowed hype and hysteria get to his head. This is your own player crowing with glee how great Arsenal are, while talking about championship deciding matches as if we're already in May. You're right, 'deluded' isn't the word for such pompous arrogance.

Cesc Fabregas says Arsenal are just like Brazil.

The Spanish ace said: "We're like Brazil when they're at the top of their game. The best thing about us is how quick and precise we are. But we must keep our feet on the ground and work harder than everyone else. Staying right at the top is the hardest thing."

Arsenal head to Liverpool on the back of their 7-0 Champions League thrashing of Slavia Prague.

And Fabregas - who has struck up a great partnership in midfield with Mathieu Flamini - added: "In the Champions League we're close to achieving our first aim, to qualify for the next round.

"But in the Premier League there is a long way to go and we have to keep on applying the same amount of energy. We have two tough league matches coming up and they provide an opportunity to show our strength.

"We will have to give everything to get a good result at Anfield but I trust in our team. Our style is very different to Liverpool's and they're usually excellent games - there have been lots of goals in recent matches. It's an acid test for us.

"Coming out of Anfield with a good result will give us a big lift. Then we play against United - another massive game.

"Those two matches are like two championship finals in the space of a fortnight."

Not just "llke Brazil" but "like Brazil when they're at the top of their game". But of course, Brazil rarely get to play against the mighty Slavia Prague.

The fact he follows up that comment with "we must keep our feet on the ground" is slightly ironic. Wouldn't you agree Dermot?
 
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The only point I agreed with is that United's result AWAY to Dynamo Kiev was far more impressive. The media just totally ignored it, because a trendy London team with a talented English striker upfront scored 7 at home against a diabolical Prague team.
 
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Beliel, I agree with you to a certain extent, but disagree with most. I'm an ardent Arsenal supporter and even I was sickened by the ITV commentary with all that "paradise" and “Gods” talk. But ITV are well known sensationalist and tripe peddlers so I wouldn't read too much into.

The media are blowing things out of proportion but it's a story that sells. It happened with United's kids back in the day, and believe me all non-United supporters were sick of it at the time. You just have to ignore that side of the media, and that goes for Arsenal supporters this season as well.

Both Wenger and the players have repeatedly said they haven't won anything yet and that's it's a long way to go. All they are saying is right now things are going their way and they are playing good football. Wenger has done an impeccable job both at instilling belief in these players coupled with a strong work ethic which is no mean feet for a team with an average age of 23. No one at Arsenal is getting ahead of themselves and that is clear to anyone who looks at it objectively. Don’t confuse confidence with arrogance or complacency. They know nothing comes for free and that is reflected in they way they play on the pitch.

One thing I will concede to is Van Persie is arrogant and says things he shouldn't, but I guess that's the Dutch side of him comming out.

You can always pick and chose headlines and sound bites to skew any argument but you have to look at the whole picture and look at it objectively. With regards to those Fabregas quotes, yes he may have gone overboard with the Brazil thing but you have to remember he’s only 20!! He's full of confidence at the moment so to him that's how he feels. The fact that he said “at the top of their game” is meaningless and reading into it is a non argument. The fact that he said they are grounded shows a level of maturity well beyond his years but even the most negative and biased United supporter can allow someone so young the odd comment about how much he’s enjoying playing the moment. I’ve seen and read countless interviews with him and he comes across as nothing but composed and professional.

And Arsene Wenger’s team have no back-bone? That has only been true for 2-3 seasons recently. Have you forgotten about Vieira and Petit dominating every midfield they came across? This year it appears so far that the fighting spirit is back with Flamini and Hleb getting stuck in and that’s what we lacked last year. Hopefully we can keep it going/

I also strongly disagree that there is any bias towards London clubs in the media. If anything there is bias towards Liverpool and Man U more than anyone else. Man U have been the media’s darlings for 15 years now. Half the sports journalists and writers out there are either former players of those 2 clubs or supporters. I remember reading an article after Arsenal’s unbeaten season and the whole focus was on how Man U lost the league as opposed to giving any credit to Arsenal. Andy Grey said exactly the same thing at the end of that season as well.

The simple fact of the matter is both Arsenal and United are playing some great football this year, but Arsenal have the kids which makes a great story for the back pages. Arsenal fans will love hearing about it, United, Chelsea and Spurs fans will get irritated by it. Media is cyclical. For the last 2 seasons it's been nothing but Chelsea this and Untied that, so let Arsenal hog the limelight for a change!!
 
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Beliel said:
Cesc Fabregas says Arsenal are just like Brazil.

..........is slightly ironic. Wouldn't you agree Dermot?
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My God you dig hard don't you?

- He's a 20 YEAR OLD KID
- What's that wrong about the comparison? When Arsenal are on the top of their game why shouldn't they be compared to a Brazilian side in terms of technical ability, speed and flair? They OBVIOUSLY possess such skill, they have a speed and precision to their game that is completely different to everyone elses in their league! Forgetting all that, fuck knows what context he meant it in anyways?

And to be completely honest, out of all players I thought Walcott was a bit arrogant in his post match interview after the prague game but I'd expect something like that from a player of his age and the ability he has, reminded me of M.Owen when he was 18 giving an interview saying he had been in the gamne a few years now and he might have a step ahead of a few of the younger players.
 
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Beliel said:
Dermot, just have a read of this article if you can and witness for yourself a player who has allowed hype and hysteria get to his head. This is your own player crowing with glee how great Arsenal are, while talking about championship deciding matches as if we're already in May. You're right, 'deluded' isn't the word for such pompous arrogance.

Cesc Fabregas says Arsenal are just like Brazil.

The Spanish ace said: "We're like Brazil when they're at the top of their game. The best thing about us is how quick and precise we are. But we must keep our feet on the ground and work harder than everyone else. Staying right at the top is the hardest thing."

Arsenal head to Liverpool on the back of their 7-0 Champions League thrashing of Slavia Prague.

And Fabregas - who has struck up a great partnership in midfield with Mathieu Flamini - added: "In the Champions League we're close to achieving our first aim, to qualify for the next round.

"But in the Premier League there is a long way to go and we have to keep on applying the same amount of energy. We have two tough league matches coming up and they provide an opportunity to show our strength.

"We will have to give everything to get a good result at Anfield but I trust in our team. Our style is very different to Liverpool's and they're usually excellent games - there have been lots of goals in recent matches. It's an acid test for us.

"Coming out of Anfield with a good result will give us a big lift. Then we play against United - another massive game.

"Those two matches are like two championship finals in the space of a fortnight."

Not just "llke Brazil" but "like Brazil when they're at the top of their game". But of course, Brazil rarely get to play against the mighty Slavia Prague.

The fact he follows up that comment with "we must keep our feet on the ground" is slightly ironic. Wouldn't you agree Dermot?
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Your post was so petty and childish. Just give credit where its due and get on with your life.
 
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Beliel said:
Dermot, just have a read of this article if you can and witness for yourself a player who has allowed hype and hysteria get to his head. This is your own player crowing with glee how great Arsenal are, while talking about championship deciding matches as if we're already in May. You're right, 'deluded' isn't the word for such pompous arrogance.

Cesc Fabregas says Arsenal are just like Brazil.

The Spanish ace said: "We're like Brazil when they're at the top of their game. The best thing about us is how quick and precise we are. But we must keep our feet on the ground and work harder than everyone else. Staying right at the top is the hardest thing."

Arsenal head to Liverpool on the back of their 7-0 Champions League thrashing of Slavia Prague.

And Fabregas - who has struck up a great partnership in midfield with Mathieu Flamini - added: "In the Champions League we're close to achieving our first aim, to qualify for the next round.

"But in the Premier League there is a long way to go and we have to keep on applying the same amount of energy. We have two tough league matches coming up and they provide an opportunity to show our strength.

"We will have to give everything to get a good result at Anfield but I trust in our team. Our style is very different to Liverpool's and they're usually excellent games - there have been lots of goals in recent matches. It's an acid test for us.

"Coming out of Anfield with a good result will give us a big lift. Then we play against United - another massive game.

"Those two matches are like two championship finals in the space of a fortnight."

Not just "llke Brazil" but "like Brazil when they're at the top of their game". But of course, Brazil rarely get to play against the mighty Slavia Prague.

The fact he follows up that comment with "we must keep our feet on the ground" is slightly ironic. Wouldn't you agree Dermot?
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mate after 3-4 games into the season i said i dont think Arsenal will keep this up and will fall at a hurdle, there know 11 games on a winning streak and won in the champions league 7-0 ...i think its time you admit defeat:lmao::mrgreen:
 
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Come on Arsenal - lets show everyone and beat liverpool at Anfield. Then maybe people might start believing!!!
 
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You guys shouldn't worry. I just can't see Liverpool beating Arsenal in their current form.
 
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Oh no, we're 1-0 down at halftime, beliel was right, our season is finished.
 
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Very happy with a point today, we had more desire to win than Liverpool and outplayed them, could have easily won, hit the post twice, Fabregas close at the end but great tackle from Gallas on a goalbound shot by Stevie G (Liverpools best player by a mile, (BTW Kuyt was pathetic)) at the end too. Man of the match for me: MANUEL ALMUNIA.

If this was supposed to be some kind of big test for Arsenals credentials (for those who insist they have done jackshit yet) then I think its been passed with flying colors. Can't wait for the nitpickers to start nitpicking. Bring on United.
 
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You outplayed us and Maneul Almunia is your MOTM?

Eh

That was one almighty tustle.

I think it was closer than you made out. We could of easily nicked it in the end. Finnan was onside. And Gallas's tackle saved you.

You hit the post twice, granted.

I'm proud of the lads, but Its clear in mind that there are too many players at this club that prevent us from playing incisive, clinical football. Riise, Kuyt, Hyypia, Sissoko to name a few.

Fair play, you did play some awesome football, and your fans were in good voice for once. You domianted posession and looked more likely to score.

I'm just annoyed that we've now got Pennant on the Treatment table, Masherano (who was out of this world today) and a return to the table for Alonso and Torres.

Rafa rotates when they are fit and risks them when they are not.
 
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I don't really think you outplayed us. Draw was a fair result though, Arsenal certainly deserved something from the match.
 
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Dunno what game you were watching. Liverpool's tactics at home were pretty dire and if I was a supporter I can't say I'd be happy with the performance (even though the point is most welcome). Mascherano was excellent but other than that you were well and truly outplayed today. Liverpool had a few chances and Arsenal were by no means flawless, but it was ridiculously one-sided at times.

Dirk Kuyt is rubbish though. So fucking slow.
 
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Agreed. We were shite again. How can we be considered title contenders if all we do is hoof the ball up and DONT EVEN WIN THE KNOCK DOWNS!!!

Well played arsenal, you were robbed.
 
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As a neutral fan, I agree with Dermot.

Arsenal, today, was way better and deserved 3 points. Liverpool has a great defense but the passing system of Arsenal impressed me a lot. Gerrard was good but he was often alone in attack and couldn't do anything. Also, Carragher should have been sent off.

The game was in Liverpool and on every action, there was 10 players in the area defending. It's shocking to see that the away team controlled the game very well. Counter attack is not the only solution.

I think both teams wanted to do well but Liverpool was a bit afraid to lose and Arsenal is just the best of the two teams, different class.

So it's a good result for the Reds because of the great defense. And Arsenal can regret the lack of good strikers.

Thanks Liverpool and Arsenal for this good game.
 
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Thought it was pretty even for most of the match. Arsenal may had had the more possesion (although it was 50/50 near the end of the first half from the pop-up) but they didnt actually create that much. One run out from reina after a good move on the wing but he didnt actually need to make a save.

And for the second half I thought liverpool were looking the more dangerous for about half of it. After alonso went off and arbeloa came on you could see arsenal get more space in midfield and the liverpool defense back off more and more. The main reason arsenal got the goal, 3 players were within 2m of hleb and not one put a tackle in. A bit like last seasons rosicky goal. Before the goal the only meaningfull effort was eboue's shot off the post and the resulting miss from fabregas.

Then at 1-1 and with liverpool trying to push up to create something arsenal's better fitness and good passing could have scored a second to wint he match as it was looking more likely at that point then liverpool getting anything.

Fair result in the end, but Liverpool still look out of sorts and very laboured. They need to get their form back.

I expect Manu to win next week, they can do the physical game which liverool did today, which puts arsenal off their game, however unlike liverpool, they can actually punish passing mistakes with quick incisive attacking play and can play further up field as they dont have two oiltankers in defense.
 
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