Arsenal Thread

Jumbo_ said:
Why does that suck? Just because England/Spain/Italy have a stronger league why should they get a bye into the final tournament? These small clubs will always be small if they never get a slice of the action (ie the money) and the rich will just get richer. Maybe now finishing 4th will be less acceptable and teams will fight for 1st a bit more.
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I can see you have a point there. But IMO the current hierarchy should be maintained for the sake of the competition's quality. Otherwise the CL group stages will turn even more into a bloody "European Congress of Football" and it may get less attention from the media and fans until the bigger clubs start facing each other in the knockout stages.

This whole idea of football inclusion is great in theory but I dont know if the CL money would be enough for them. The most important thing is to have competition within domestic football first.

If one of these smaller clubs assemble a good squad they will get through anyway. Hell, look at Shaktar in the UEFA Cup final and looking good.
 
IceMan_Bergkamp said:
I'm actually fed up with the same excuses..

* We have potential
* Silvestre plays as he has experience
* Fabianski is world class
* Buying players will not solve the problem
* Diaby is my Vieira/Bergkamp/Pires rolled into one (pffff)
* Adebayor is worth £80,000 a week
* Experience will not guaruntee sucess.

Arsene's tactical nous has always been suspect, but the past month has been a quagmire of shite.

We definitely need an overhaul. 2 CB's, 1 DMF and 1 Striker. The fat has to be cut off the bone, and there are too many players who make our squads who would NEVER make the other big 3.
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IceMan - I agree, Buying players will go a long way to sorting out the problem. We need players who understand how to play their positions. Denilson hasn't got a clue, and Song in the long run isn't good enough.

For example Poulsen at Juventus will be much better as a DMF, experienced in Europe and international level and has awesome work rate. And his a player we can get. Am hearing that Real Madrid want to get rid of Robben too, His proven player we could get.

Heres a list of potential players we could get and afford.

Maxi Rodriguez 28 - M
Miroslav Klose 30 - ST
Lucio 31 - CB
Daniele De Rossi 25 - DM
Poulsen 29 - DM
Robben 25 - M
Karim Benzema 21 - ST
Mathieu Bodmer 26 - DM
Marcos Senna 32 - DM
Angulo 31 - M
David Albelda 31 - M
David Trezeguet 31 - ST
Olof Mellberg 31 - CB
Mahamadou Diarra 27 - DM
Daniel van Buyten 31 - CB
Mark van Bommel 32 - M
Darijo Srna 26 - M/RW+RB
Orlando Engelaar 29 - M
Igor Akinfeev 22 - GK

Valencia are having a clear out too.
 
Mastermind said:
Am hearing that Real Madrid want to get rid of Robben too, His proven player we could get.
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He must be expensive. Even if we could afford him, he's injury prone. At Arsenal he'd be super injury prone :SHOCK:

Karim Benzema would be a dream but I doubt very much...

But all in all you guys are right. Many of our current players are far from being ready/good enough.
 
Mastermind said:
IceMan - I agree, Buying players will go a long way to sorting out the problem. We need players who understand how to play their positions. Denilson hasn't got a clue, and Song in the long run isn't good enough.

For example Poulsen at Juventus will be much better as a DMF, experienced in Europe and international level and has awesome work rate. And his a player we can get. Am hearing that Real Madrid want to get rid of Robben too, His proven player we could get.

Heres a list of potential players we could get and afford.

Maxi Rodriguez 28 - M No need for him
Miroslav Klose 30 - ST No need for him
Lucio 31 - CB He's been utter shite and isn't any better than what you have
Daniele De Rossi 25 - DM Would cost 30M which you don't have and won't leave Roma (ever)
Poulsen 29 - DM Possibly
Robben 25 - M No need for him
Karim Benzema 21 - ST Would cost 35 - 40M which you don't have
Mathieu Bodmer 26 - DM Possibly
Marcos Senna 32 - DM Yes
Angulo 31 - M No need for him
David Albelda 31 - M Not good enough
David Trezeguet 31 - ST No need for him
Olof Mellberg 31 - CB Not good enough
Mahamadou Diarra 27 - DM Possibly
Daniel van Buyten 31 - CB Not good enough
Mark van Bommel 32 - M Yes
Darijo Srna 26 - M/RW+RB No need for him
Orlando Engelaar 29 - M Not good enough
Igor Akinfeev 22 - GK FM Legend but No need for him

Valencia are having a clear out too.
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Your Kidding right?

You need 2 CB's, 1 DMC and maybe 1-3 more "Squad Players" and your sorted. Adebayor isn't needed and could fetch 30M which could be used on for those 3 signings.

--------Almunia-----------
Sagna---xxxx-Gallas---Clichy
Walcott-xxxx-Fabregas-Arshavin
-----Van Persie-Eduardo-----
 
RentBoy - Robben would be around 15-20M mark i reckon. Injury prone yh your right, but his proven at the top level and his in his best yrs.

YoungGun if you honestly think we're gonna win the league with that team your wrong mate. Too weak. Need strength and experirnce in the spine including a striker.

Apperently Wenger's signing a new player in the summer. Its gonna take a while to get a permit for obvious reasons.

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IceMan_Bergkamp said:
I'd like to see Van Bommel. He's a wanker and class 'a' cunt, and we need that type of player in the middle.
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He is indeed. Also when he concentrates on playing football he's very good. But every match I watch he's being booked or being sent off.
 
Rentboy said:
He is indeed. Also when he concentrates on playing football he's very good. But every match I watch he's being booked or being sent off.
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Mascherano is the same with bookings but we definately know when he's playing, and so do the opposition :)
 
Exactly, you guys got the point. We need a lot more bite in midfield. But I think Mascherano and Vieira are fairplay compared to Van Bommel. Angels, if you will :LOL:

I may be exaggerating but always had the impression that Mark Van Bommel is a really really mean bloke.
 
Yep I agree get rid of adebayor and Nasri, I dont understand how anyone havent complain about nasri... hes startin everygame but hes the ultimate shit on the pitch... he never gives his 100% ,always up for the simple back pass instead of trying to create somthing, we get scored a goal and its like the end of the world and he suddently stop playing, we should get rid of him , hes not good enough period.

with nasri and adebayor we could get a 10+ 30 millions increased to our budget to get a quality DM, a world class CB, no disrepect to clinchy or gibbs but I think we should get a good defender on one of our wings cause playing with 2 offensive type WB on both wing is hurting us in a long run.
 
I can't believe you want to get rid of Nasri.

He's the only one who actually cares about playing at the moment in seems, he's definitely talented and he'd be great if he didn't have to play as the holding midfielder at the minute.
 
No way, Nasri wouldn't and shouldn't go. This is only his 1st season and he will certainly improve.

I agree with most of what Lee Dixon said in the article. Not just Vieira in the midfield, but the back four were much more solid. Adams-Keown were much more reliable than what we have now.
 
Personally, I think people like, walcott,song,a eboue,should go, and we need more veterans.... with lots of experience :)
 
Nasri was probably our most consistant player in the first half of the season. Getting rid of him is silly. He is also one of the guys who I feel does put his heart into the games.

Walcott is no where near the finished article but he is very very young still. He has the potential to be a world beater, it would be ridiculous to get rid of him.

I think we need 2 cb's two cm's and get rid of adebayor and get a new striker. Then we will be well on our way.

but I reckon he will only get two players maximum - which I think will be a huge mistake! He has already stated that he doesn't want more cm's because that would hinder the likes of denilson and Diaby progressing. That is bollucks and we need an experienced head to partner Fabregas.

The players I wouldn.t mind getting rid of are Adebayor and Diaby. All the rest I want to keep - hopefully when they have more competition for places they will be more motivated.
 
With the AGM coming up on tonight, Football 365 came up with some questions to ask Arsene.

Nail. Head.

football365.com said:
Sharing Our Questions For Arsene...
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Arsene Wenger is facing an interrogation on Thursday evening when he addresses Arsenal shareholders at a question-and-answer session. F365 suggest some questions...


* What matters more to you: style or substance, trophies or aesthetics?


* Do you agree with the Arsenal chief executive that fourth place constitutes failure?


* How much are you willing to spend on a defensive midfielder and central defender?


* Can you ever see a situation where you would buy an established Premier League player in his prime?


* Do you think that spending is cheating?


* If you were given Manchester City's budget, would you still sign unknown Frenchmen?


* Has the success of Andrei Arshavin altered your view about spending money?


* Do you accept that Arsenal's most regular problem over the past three years has been an appalling injury record? Is there an explanation? Are you looking for an explanation? And if you accept it is a major problem, why did you sign Mikael Silvestre last summer even when he was injured? And why sign Amaury Bischoff when he had barely kicked a ball in the previous two years?


* Are we correct in presuming that it's because you believed Tomas Rosicky would return in September that you didn't seek to sign Andrei Arshavin last summer? Do you think Arsenal would have challenged for the title if Arshavin had been signed before the start of the season? If so, are you again willing to run the risk of factoring injury-prone players such as Rosicky, Eduardo, Abou Diaby and Silvestre into your plans for next season?


* Incidentally, does it surprise you as much as it does us that the press have never properly interrogated you over Arsenal's injury record?


* What's your assessment of how Arsenal have dealt with Rosicky's injury problems over the past 18 months? In September, you said: "Nobody at the club can tell me whether he will be back on November 10, December 10 or December 31." Why couldn't they? What are they telling you now?


* Why did you give the 31-year-old Silvestre a two-year deal when Robert Pires and co were denied on grounds of age?


* Last year, you announced at the annual meeting of the shareholders that you would try to sign a defender to deal with 'route one' football. Instead, you signed Manchester United's second-choice left-back. What happened? Do you understand our use of the word 'instead'?


* Do you now accept that your team selection for the FA Cup semi-final team was a mistake? What was the thinking behind the selection?


* In the last ten-and-a-bit ten years, Sir Alex Ferguson has employed Brian Kidd, Steve McClaren, Carlos Queiroz and Mike Phelan as his assistants. Have you considered freshening up your own coaching staff?


*It was claimed in The Guardian last week that you 'spend comparatively little time on the training ground drilling [your] defence and practising such minor details as corners and free-kicks'. Is this true? Just how much time do you devote on the training ground to these minor details along with other insignificants such as shooting and crossing? Have you considered a change of approach given your side's repeated failings in these areas?


* When Aston Villa equalised in the 92nd minute on Boxing Day, three Arsenal defenders were in the penaltyn area marking four attackers. Did you point this out to your team afterwards? If so, how did you feel when four Arsenal players were in the penalty-area attempting to mark five attackers when Yossi Benayoun scored Liverpool's 92nd-minute equaliser last month?


* Out of ten, how would you rate Arsenal's defending this season?


* Ashley Cole demonstrated on Sunday that Theo Walcott is still oblivious to the importance of tracking back after 18 months. How do you explain the continued existence of this shortcoming?


* Lukasz Fabianski's costly rush of blood in the the FA Cup semi-final came a week after Kieran Gibbs had to clear the ball off the line against Wigan following a similar aberration by the youngster. He then committed precisely the same mistake in the first half against Chelsea. Did anyone on the coaching staff advise caution at half-time at Wembley or after the game at Wigan? If not, why not?


* What is it that you see in Abou Diaby that nobody else can?


* Kolo Toure and William Gallas only played well this season when separated from each other. Do you now accept that they cannot dovetail as a partnership? Are you sure it's only one new centre-half that you need to buy?


* What was the thinking in deploying Cesc Fabregas as a support striker? Do you now accept that Fabregas isn't suited to the role?


* What was your view of Emmanuel Adebayor's performances in the Champions League semi-finals?


* Were the quotes of Andrei Arshavin in which he complained about playing on the left wing genuine? If so, given the recent experiment with Samir Nasri in a central role and the doubts about Rosicky's return, who do you see playing on the left next season?


* It's been five years since Arsenal won a trophy. Do you still believe that Arsenal are in a position of such arrogance to treat the Carling Cup as a training school?


* Do you ever worry that you might be wrong?
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Regarding the article from Lee Dixon that is not all correct comparing Nigel Winterburn to Gibbs is stupid for many reasons.

1) Gibbs was drafted in through injury, your comparing him to one of the Premier League's best ever left-backs.

2) Arsenal, like most Premier League clubs feature attacking full-backs, almost like wing-backs and it was rare to ever see Winterburn forward, you think if you stuck Winterburn to play Gibbs as role as a wing-back he wouldn't be able to run up and down the touchline and attack and track-back as much him.


But really all you need is a big aerially dominant centre-back to partner Toure, someone like Brede Hangeland or Per Metersacker. And you shouldn't get rid of Adebayor, he gives you a different kind of threat. You also need a ball-winner in the middle of the park. Van Bommel would work for you or someone like Marcos Senna or even Gokhan Inler.
 
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