Arsenal Thread

I thought it was a brilliant tackle by Campbell personally.

And if we don't win the league this year I definitely want you to and not Chelsea. Mind games shmindgames.
 
BobbyBox said:
yep, Chelsea (chopper harris) and Leeds (Norman Hunter) and Arsenal can never call any teams dirty ever again, because they used to have players that recieved red cards :ROLL:
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What a bad argument. Norris and Hunter played for their clubs 35 years ago.
Viera (who i wouldn't compare with Norris and Hunter, more with Roy Keane) played under Wenger...the same coach who is now complaining about "physical football"...that is a big, big difference.

But this argument starts to be unfair. I admit that Arsenal usually are a very fair team. So i will stop.
I think Campbell is their weakest link...he was very poor against (a very poor) Porto. If Wenger plays him in theCL against the big clubs...Arsenal are doomed.
 
gerd said:
What a bad argument. Norris and Hunter played for their clubs 35 years ago.
Viera (who i wouldn't compare with Norris and Hunter, more with Roy Keane) played under Wenger...the same coach who is now complaining about "physical football"...that is a big, big difference.

But this argument starts to be unfair. I admit that Arsenal usually are a very fair team. So i will stop.
I think Campbell is their weakest link...he was very poor against (a very poor) Porto. If Wenger plays him in theCL against the big clubs...Arsenal are doomed.
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My point is that it doesn't matter who used to play for you and what happened, it's about what is going on now.

It doesn't matter that Wenger was the manager when Vieira was around at all and I put it to you that is an even worse argument than mine! :))

Saying that we can't comment (Or take the moral high ground) on how dirty teams are, because we used to have a player 5 years ago that had a reputation, is a silly argument no matter what way you look at it.

IMO Campbell is better than Silvestre and I feel alot more confident with him in defence than Silvestre. he is the best we have got at the moment after Vermaelen and Gallas unfortunately. But overall I think Sol has done reasonably well since he has come back.
 
Im sussed w/ Sol he looks a bit arrogant like he `s a super star though :LOL: him and his ruffle pirate shirt ffs! gotta wonder though playing WHU at home I hope he doesn`t run off again (*jk) He`s big and English and rough around the edges and to mention slow so he wont run up and try to score so he will have to do.
 
Eeesh, yes my point with Vieira was that you never heard Wenger complaining about persistent fouls, or the occasionally full nasty one when the Patrick was the culprit. Similarly, you didn't hear Wenger say Gallas' challenge should have no place in modern football, and that was 2 months ago.

And for the past 3 seasons the most fouled player in the league wasn't at Arsenal.

All of these things add up to say: "Arsenal are not treated any differently than any other posession dominating, skillful teams"

(alternatively, it's all a conspiracy, and perpetuated by the FA run from a small, unused world war II bunker near Slough. Directed by Phil Brown)
 
beachryan said:
Eeesh, yes my point with Vieira was that you never heard Wenger complaining about persistent fouls, or the occasionally full nasty one when the Patrick was the culprit. Similarly, you didn't hear Wenger say Gallas' challenge should have no place in modern football, and that was 2 months ago.

And for the past 3 seasons the most fouled player in the league wasn't at Arsenal.

All of these things add up to say: "Arsenal are not treated any differently than any other posession dominating, skillful teams"

(alternatively, it's all a conspiracy, and perpetuated by the FA run from a small, unused world war II bunker near Slough. Directed by Phil Brown)
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You can 'Eeesh' all you want, but you should make your point clearer, because the statement on its own was silly. I was reacting against that comment, if you want people to get your point you should explain it better :))

The Gallas foul from what I can remember was really bad and should have been mentioned by Arsene and commented on negatively. But you will find it extremely rare for a manager to say negative things about his players, it is not just a problem with Arsene.

You also said we can't take the moral high ground, because we had Vieira on our team. So it doesn't matter what Arsene says or does. My opinion and lots of other people can say what they want and can moan, take the moral high ground etc. Because we are commenting on what we see at the moment and compare it to our team, at this moment.

the most fouled PLAYER doesn't really say anything about how Arsenal get treated as a whole does it? all of our players get targeted by the teams that like to kick us about. Also a player that gets 'fouled' alot doesn't necesaraly mean they have been fouled. They can be the biggest diver etc. Lots of factors to take into consideration there.

So I don't know how your two points, that Arsene should condemn his own players when they do something wrong, or the fact that an Arsenal player wasn't the most fouled, has any bearing on the Arsenal team getting kicked about more by some teams in the league?
 
Because it's a myth that it only happens to Arsenal, which is perpetuated by the manager in (I assume) an attempt to earn his team more fouls in 50/50 situations.

Watch Bolton vs United, or Stoke vs Liverpool - they employ exactly the same tactics as if they were playing the fleet-footed foxes of the Arsenal. Main difference is that some of the other big 4 have players that can take a nudge and keep going (Valencia, Drogba when he wants to, Torres before he became the winiest bitch in the league) rather than Nasri/Denilson/Fabregas/Arshavin/Eduardo/Vela who, lets face it, are teeny tots compared to most defenders.

Yes, that means that they are more nimble, quicker to turn and able to string beautiful little 4 yard passes together, but it also means that a good shoulder barge will take them out. It's a decision Wenger has made, and he has to live with it, rather than moan to the press that his team should be allowed to play how they want.
 
beachryan said:
Because it's a myth that it only happens to Arsenal, which is perpetuated by the manager in (I assume) an attempt to earn his team more fouls in 50/50 situations.

Watch Bolton vs United, or Stoke vs Liverpool - they employ exactly the same tactics as if they were playing the fleet-footed foxes of the Arsenal. Main difference is that some of the other big 4 have players that can take a nudge and keep going (Valencia, Drogba when he wants to, Torres before he became the winiest bitch in the league) rather than Nasri/Denilson/Fabregas/Arshavin/Eduardo/Vela who, lets face it, are teeny tots compared to most defenders.

Yes, that means that they are more nimble, quicker to turn and able to string beautiful little 4 yard passes together, but it also means that a good shoulder barge will take them out. It's a decision Wenger has made, and he has to live with it, rather than moan to the press that his team should be allowed to play how they want.
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I agree that the other top teams have stronger players and they can deal with more physical play better. But because we have 'weaker players' they are targetted alot more. So they are targetted more in the recklass challenges, because if the player misses and takes the player out. Then they feel that, the 'weak' player will be more apprehensive when challenging for balls in the rest of the game.

There is no point doing it to Essien, Rio or Rooney etc. Because they are stronger. But just because our players are weaker, it doesn't mean you can do recklass, dangerous challenges all the time against us (Which in my opinion happens more to Arsenal)

But we are talking about a bit more than a nudge. i have never seen Arsene moan that his player has been shoulder barged off of the ball? only when a player flys in and does a dangerous challenge.

So I agree we need some stronger players, but we can handle all of the non dangerous physical play that is part of the game. Players use their body weight and strength to get the ball. That is all fine. But flying across the floor and not caring if they get the player or the ball, or doing countless little cynical fouls to stop us playing, is not on and should be stopped.

The ref for the hull game should have done more to stop them doing it. When Bendtner got a finger in the eye, boeteng should have been sent off. Then there wouldn't have been that horrific challenge on Sagna (that could have easily been another broken leg for us).

Anyway, think I have been arguing about this for the last few days. I'm getting bored of myself :PP

So I am going to leave it there....until the next team kicks the shit out of us ;))
 
I think beachryan's point was very obvious Bobby...for someone who is constantly complaining about "physical play" Wenger never complained in Viera's time...and the fact that it is the same manager is very relevant to me. But anyway, let's stop this discussion. I do sympathise with Arsenal and their inuries. Wgat a difference Van Persie would have made. In the strikers issue of FourFourTwo there was a stat that proved Van Persie was Europe's most efficinet forward (to my own astonishment)

About Campbell: pray that Arsenal will not have to play against Barcelona with Sol in the CL. Pep will move Messi (and Iniesta) to the centre and he (they) will destroy Campbell.
 
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gerd said:
I think beachryan's point was very obvious Bobby...for someone who is constantly complaining about "physical play" Wenger never complained in Viera's time...
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well it wasn't to me :)) because I was talking about the situation, i wasn't talking about Wengers views on the situation. So his point wasn't obvious at all.....let alone 'Very Obvious'

I don't care what Wenger says, I was saying what I was saying. He was implying that Arsenal (including players, managers, directors and supporters) could not complain because we had a player with a reputation 5 years ago.

Anyway, as you say lets stop this conversation and start it again, when we play another group of shit fuckers, that want to kick us about all of the time ;))
 
gerd said:
I think beachryan's point was very obvious Bobby...for someone who is constantly complaining about "physical play" Wenger never complained in Viera's time....
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during that time not many teams tried to kick us off the park mate. Thank Big at sam for introducing those tactics to the league
 
jonneymendoza said:
during that time not many teams tried to kick us off the park mate. Thank Big at sam for introducing those tactics to the league
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Errr...no, it's always been a feature of this league, long before Allardyce managed Bolton.

And yes, they tried. But they failed as you lot were too good back then.
 
I cannot believe people still going on about that Campbell challenge. For those who somehow fail to see a difference between that and those career-threatening tackes, Campbell found the ball. That's just for a start. 2nd, he knows how to do it, he should carry a badge saying "Sol: tackling hard for nearly 20 years". How many legs you've seen snapped like that by Sol in all those years? Or by Ferdinand, Terry or Carragher? In contrast, Shawcross and Taylor already achieved that in their early 20s.
Finally, the Hull player who got injured went in for it with his foot higher than Sol's. Even Brown admitted that on Sky Sports, for crying out loud!!

PS: Sad to see Brown getting the boot, as I also wanted to see that cunt being relegated. Now there's no purpose in Hull going down. In fact, I want them to stay in the Prem now that he is not around. He can sing somewhere else :P
 
What's wrong with Phil Brown? This is an honest question and i would like an other answer than "he's a cunt, or a wanker".
If he is, i wanna know why.
I hope Hull stay up, with or without Brown. It's strange there are no clubs i wanna see relegated. I guess Portsmouth will go down, but i thought at times they played good football (so here is a "litle" club that tries to play positive, look where it got them....). Burnley are not good enough for the Premiership, although they have one player i like: Eagles. I hope he can go to another Premier League. Hull: i'm a big fan of Jimmy Bullard and i also thought that they actually played very well against Arsenal (i don't understand why Bullard left Fulham for Hull, that was a step backwards). I think Wolves have played some good matches, they deserve to stay up. This year i don't really like Bolton.
On a more general note, can't players like Bullard, Steven Hunt, Altidore, Eagles, Kevin Doyle and others play for slightly bigger clubs?

Sorry to be off-topic.
 
gerd said:
What's wrong with Phil Brown? This is an honest question and i would like an other answer than "he's a cunt, or a wanker".
If he is, i wanna know why.
I hope Hull stay up, with or without Brown. It's strange there are no clubs i wanna see relegated. I guess Portsmouth will go down, but i thought at times they played good football (so here is a "litle" club that tries to play positive, look where it got them....). Burnley are not good enough for the Premiership, although they have one player i like: Eagles. I hope he can go to another Premier League. Hull: i'm a big fan of Jimmy Bullard and i also thought that they actually played very well against Arsenal (i don't understand why Bullard left Fulham for Hull, that was a step backwards). I think Wolves have played some good matches, they deserve to stay up. This year i don't really like Bolton.
On a more general note, can't players like Bullard, Steven Hunt, Altidore, Eagles, Kevin Doyle and others play for slightly bigger clubs?

Sorry to be off-topic.
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1. Phil Brown is a knob because of the ordeal we went through when Fabregas was meant to have spat on his assistant (or somebody in his team). He said he saw it happen. But then it came about that he didn't see it at all. There was no other witnesses to it. It happened in the middle of the pitch after a game when cesc came on to celebrate with his team (He wasn't playing)

So we went through a load of shit and it didn't even happen. He admitted through it, he likes to 'ruffle the feathers' of a team like Arsenal (or along those lines)

2. He then said that Arsene didn't shake his hand after a match and was going off on one and moaning about it. It was then proved by video evidence that Arsene actually did shake his hand?!

3. he is friends with Sam Allardyce, who is also a big fat prick.

4. He is an egotistical fuck wit, that trys to embarrass his team, by taking them out into the middle of the pitch at half time to do his team talk....which spectacularly failed as his team slipped down the league.

5. He is Orange

6. He tells his team members to kick us about.


In regards to Hull, when they are not kicking teams about, they actually do play nice football. When they first came to the premiership, they played their best football and were near the top of the league. But then they resroted to being lumping great oafs, which was suprising and they fell down the league.

I really like Bullard, I think he would be good in a top side. i would have liked him to come to Arsenal. God knows why he went to Hull?!

They have some decent players, but I don't see any of the other at a top side.

My biggest gripe with Hull was mainly with Phil Brown. Hopefully they get a good manager and can do well.
 
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Thanks Bobby.
Yes i think this proves that Mr. Phil Brown isn't the nicest man.
I've seen his speech on the pitch against Man City...this was all about Brown himself and not about the team...after that, it all went downhill for Hull.

After reading all what you wrote about Brown, i can understand he's not a much loved person among Arsenal fans and it explains certain reactions in this thread too.

I'm an avid listeren of Football weekly, the Guardian's podcast about football and i seem to remember that the journalists in that podcast don't like mr Brown either...there was talk about the fact that he rescued somebody who wanted to jump off a bridge...or that's what he told himself and afterwards it appeared that it wasn't true...
 
BobbyBox said:
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5. He is Orange
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Brilliant stuff Bobby :LOL: :LOL:

Brown really is an egotistical prick. What with all that singing after they stayed up last season? It was all down to pure luck since they were beaten by Man United's reserves at home but still stayed up because Newcastle cocked it up against Villa. The real unsung heroes were his own players throughout the season, but he likes to look like he got things under control. With that stupid mic!

The alleged Fabregas incident wasn't picked by any of the hundreds of cameras in the Emirates that day. All derived from his imagination or maybe he just likes to draw attention.
 
Yeah, his ego got bigger and bigger unfortunately.

He seemed a decent person before he let Hull's success get the bettter of him.
 
Yeah he told reporters he talked a woman out of taking her life but apparently a few players who were there at the time denied any knowledge! :LOL:

He's just a cringeworthy, David Brent-like man.

Gerd, careful with the guardian podcast, I agree it's better than most English ones but they still talk a lot of rubbish!
 
Just seen this - i love it!

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The kit Arsenal had the season they played the CL final against Barcelona, was the most beautiful i've ever seen.
 
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