Arsenal Thread

jonneymendoza said:
u ****ing cock sucking bunch of pieces of ****. And u ****ing wonder why i want wenger sacked. HOW MANY ****ING TIMES DOES THIS HAVE TO HAPPEN UNDER WENGER!!!

HOW MANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ****ING JOKE!!!!!!!!!!

**** OFF
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How can you blame your manager for one persons act of stupidity? I hope Wenger does fuck off from you as in a few years time you will be watching shit football and wishing he was back with you.

You spoilt dicks don't know how lucky you have it. I'd love to go and watch Arsenal week in week out but when I can make games I have to put up with watching the shit down The City.
 
PU6HY said:
How can you blame your manager for one persons act of stupidity? I hope Wenger does fuck off from you as in a few years time you will be watching shit football and wishing he was back with you.

You spoilt dicks don't know how lucky you have it. I'd love to go and watch Arsenal week in week out but when I can make games I have to put up with watching the shit down The City.
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different levels of expectations man. arsenal are all style but no substance and probably the most annoying team to watch. all that fancy shit for nothing.

I blame the manager because he bought that stupid player eboue. Also what about the idiot who conceded the free kick to begin with?
 
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http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/drivetime/blog/2011-04-18/durhams-rant-lost-his-own-arsene
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It would have been a good article if it wasn't so shit.

Eboue has been here for about 6 years and he has 4 occasions there, one is quite weak, he did a bad challenge?!

Most players that have been at a club for 6 years I'm sure you could find 4 things that they have done wrong in those 6 years?

I agree that Eboue isn't good eenough for Arsenal, but that Article is a shit way of trying to blame Arsene Wenger.

most of our succesful players under Wenger have only become so since Wenger has bought them. Just because fans are shouting out for stuff to happen, doesn't mean they are necessarily correct and they also don't know half of what is going on behind the scenes. We might aswell get rid of the managers and jsut have a poll on every decision and signing a team makes? then we would be fine wouldn't we?

No mention of the financial constraints that Wenger has had over the last few years? which is a big reason he didn't sign alot of big name players. But no, it is Arsene being stubborn?

It is a weak article.

Some points made are valid, but are not backed up very well, just a rant that doesn't really help anybody really.

The Arseblog blog for today (paragraph of it quoted earlier) does alot better job of telling you the frustrations of an Arsenal fan at the moment. there is something wrong with certain members of the teams mentality and these members should go and be replaced by fresh hungry players.
 
but if you look at the last players bought you can't say there nobodies. Arshavin, Nasri, Chamakh, Squilacci even.
besides that, Wenger HAS been blind to some gaps and weaknesses in the squad for a couple of years. regarding the reason of that there are many factors: stubborness, financial constraints (let's not forget and take a look at the freaking stadium didn't just came from a pregnant old highbury)
i agree arseblogger is spot on and balanced.
i would go on a rant but i would just say what has been said better by others these days and many many other times.

i'm thinking about a formation change and what comes to mind is that this 4-3-3 is molded for Cesc. he can be a very good partner to a dmf but he's much more free with two men having his back (at least that's the idea). plus where would Jack go? becaus someone of the three midfielders should make way for the second attacker. it's not fair to Jack. on the other side a second stricker would help RvP very much, but i don't think wenger will buy another stricker yet again. we have fucking CHAMAKH, i still rate the guy. back to the two holding midfielders: song and jack should still partner. diaby might deserve another chance but another good dmf is needed.
it also dependes on whether we can keep cesc. he might be the one whom would have to be replaced with a second stricker or should we get the same type of player if he leaves.
and do you guys think we should buy a goalkeepr or sczczesny can do the job?
a new problem arose in the last matches: we're so flat on the attack. no end product. we have 2 wingers that we can trust, nasri and walcott, + arshavin which might still do us good, but maybe we need another winger that can bring something new in the attack. for gods sake stop with the Bendtner out wide!
transfer talk aside, what this team doesn't do is work. look at other top teams. every player runs and helps the defence. instead, ours just leave the back 4 to deal with the whole pressure. no wonder they look bad.

i might be incoherent, but i'm just writing thoughts as they come. giving the situation, which hasn't change a big deal the problems from before blackpool are the same. it's not an apocalypse, but it hurts to see it over and over...
 
I wonder about fatigue on some players. Diaby played much better in the last 2 matches . We`re given such a small scope to try and analysis the problem with players. That article shows Eboue`s weak points like bob said ,but normally you would bring the good he has done to balance the good over the bad. Eboue is not a starter and he is a good squad player that is happy to come on and contribute.


We paid like what 200k if that over the under world Belgium club. Robin needs to be sharper imo I`m glad he is over the sick-note phase of his life. The hunger is not there our leaders seem to be at odds. I get the obvious feeling the team doesnt want to follow a captain that`s not fully committed or something to do w/ Fabregas.Then, Arshavin not until his signing I realize the tax burden foreigners get. 1/2 goes to taxes soon PL will get all foreigners out or force a dual citizenship. Arshavin has concerns which like most of us I/we aren`t at peace we won`t perform regardless how much or little you make. I can ONLY assume Arshavin hasn`t been spoken to about extending his contract .

Wenger seems to get the best contract for his players almost like a token of your sticking around :LOL: Well not for Arshavin Wenger`s faith on players diminishes at 29.
 
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I think we've posted the Arsenal hype graph here many times but it's becoming reality that you seem to collapse in the run-in almost every season, despite all this talk of having the "easier run-in", not only this season but seasons previous.

Certainly something needs to be changed in the set-up but Wenger's stubborness has long got the better of him.

It's not even funny anymore. I read somewhere that Wenger's title winning sides had players from the George Graham era and certainly it's clear he's never been able to aptly replace that steel in the side he inherited.
 
... and if Wenger took advice off any ex Arsenal players he'd be buying a new player every week!

Managers are arrogant. They are the ones who have to make the decisions, not ex players. When or if your next manager comes in then some of you will still complain.

I agree that just picking up on a few errors is a shit article but Eboue is piss poor though. Couldn't lace my boots so how he ended up playing for a footballing team like Arsenal is beyond me.
 
About Wenger, i find it bizare about this 30 year old rule. The likes of Viera would stil be with us and i reckon Pires could have easily emulated "Ryan Giggs" for united.

such a damm shame. i feel the likes of pires and viera wouldnt mind taking a back seat and play only 10mins a game or in CC games at there age. The senior players would have learn soo much from these veteran players who have seen it all. Wenger has made many mistakes as a manager and this one is one that is considered a big one too.

In a nutshell, one of the issues with the current arsenal side is that it doesnt have any leaders and experience players who has done it all and keeping the likes of Viera, Pires and Gilberto could have fixed this issue without spending millions.

Now look at arsenal, they now have to spend more to bring players like Viera into the team when before they already had players like that and got rid of them soo swiftly.

These players may be off pace on field but in the dressing room and during training they would make a far bigger impact than fabregas and co.

This is how i see Arsenal, i see arsenal as a company who recruits only graduate software developers and even though these developers have great talent and can pick up things quickly, they dont have any mentor or experience of doing the job correct and on deadline under pressure. This is where a senior developer would benifit hugely by giving some advice to the graduates/youngsters and this is the same with the current arsenal side.

The likes of Viera learned from tony adams, Henry learning from Berghamp, Gilberto learning from Viera etc etc. Who is walcott learning from? Eboue? lmao, and what about Song? who is he learning and getting advice from? Denilson? diaby? you see, the current crop of players have no one to look up to.

the current crop of players may know how to pass and play one touch football, do fancy skills etc but do they know how to win games at all cost(in a fair legal manor of course?) do they know when to defend? when to clear the ball out of play?
 
jonneymendoza said:
About Wenger, i find it bizare about this 30 year old rule. The likes of Viera would stil be with us and i reckon Pires could have easily emulated "Ryan Giggs" for united.

such a damm shame. i feel the likes of pires and viera wouldnt mind taking a back seat and play only 10mins a game or in CC games at there age. The senior players would have learn soo much from these veteran players who have seen it all. Wenger has made many mistakes as a manager and this one is one that is considered a big one too.

In a nutshell, one of the issues with the current arsenal side is that it doesnt have any leaders and experience players who has done it all and keeping the likes of Viera, Pires and Gilberto could have fixed this issue without spending millions.

Now look at arsenal, they now have to spend more to bring players like Viera into the team when before they already had players like that and got rid of them soo swiftly.

These players may be off pace on field but in the dressing room and during training they would make a far bigger impact than fabregas and co.

This is how i see Arsenal, i see arsenal as a company who recruits only graduate software developers and even though these developers have great talent and can pick up things quickly, they dont have any mentor or experience of doing the job correct and on deadline under pressure. This is where a senior developer would benifit hugely by giving some advice to the graduates/youngsters and this is the same with the current arsenal side.

The likes of Viera learned from tony adams, Henry learning from Berghamp, Gilberto learning from Viera etc etc. Who is walcott learning from? Eboue? lmao, and what about Song? who is he learning and getting advice from? Denilson? diaby? you see, the current crop of players have no one to look up to.

the current crop of players may know how to pass and play one touch football, do fancy skills etc but do they know how to win games at all cost(in a fair legal manor of course?) do they know when to defend? when to clear the ball out of play?
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Are you really that naive? Everyone goes on about leaders and all that crap and you are watching games and thinking x should be doing y at times. They are Pros FFS. They live and breathe football. It's a simple game. Granted people make mistakes but I honestly don't believe all the crap people spout about taking somebody under your wing and all that. They know what to do. They try things at times and it doesn't come off but they know what the right thing to do is.

You listen too much to the pundits and read too many things. Simple game over analysed. Too many people talk too much shit imo.

Wenger or whoever will talk and talk and talk to these guys in training anyway so don't believe they don't know when to do certain things. Things just go wrong as nobody is perfect.
 
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if they knew what they was doing, some fo these stupid school boy errors wouldnt occur. how come for some reason arsenal are the only team that can blow a 4:0 lead? Why cant we beat birmingham in a final? why cant we win a game being in the lead for 1min before game ends?

Why are we continuesly getting spanked by united in the EXACT same manner for the last 5 years i.e united soak up the pressure and hit us on counter attack. SAME mistakes mate.

You say these players know what there doing then how come they never learn from there mistakes?

if you think a team, even your team, doesn't need a fucking leader on there side you are the one being naive
 
jonneymendoza said:
if they knew what they was doing, some fo these stupid school boy errors wouldnt occur. how come for some reason arsenal are the only team that can blow a 4:0 lead? Why cant we beat birmingham in a final? why cant we win a game being in the lead for 1min before game ends?

Why are we continuesly getting spanked by united in the EXACT same manner for the last 5 years i.e united soak up the pressure and hit us on counter attack. SAME mistakes mate.

You say these players know what there doing then how come they never learn from there mistakes?

if you think a team, even your team, doesn't need a fucking leader on there side you are the one being naive
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Am I now? Just because somebody says all that on the tele, you just jump on the bandwagon and start believing it.

I've played with players getting stuck in etc. and shouting and balling (or whatever you want to call it) at people and good for them. I do my job (and I'm a massive team player) but I'm a big enough boy to know what I'm doing. I'll listen to what they say but who says they are always right in what they say? Everyone who is playing should be a "captain/leader". I personally do not buy into all of this crap. Been captain and not been captain. Makes no difference as I'll say what I need to say anyway.
 
Jonney, i don't know...i think you are being too negative.
I will counter 2 of your arguments in the same way you reason:

How many teams loose a final against Birmingham? Not much because most teams never progress to finals.

How many team loose after having led 4-0. Scarcely any, do you know much teams who lead by 4-0?

I'm mimicking your way of reasoning.

I do agree with you about role models in a squad. A team like Arsenal needs experienced players as role models for the younger players. But i honestly doubt if people like Viera, Pires and the one you did not mention (Henry) are the type of players you need.
Those 3 players were absolute stars. Maybe the 2 (or 3) most iconic players Arsenal has had under Wenger. This the type of player who has a huge contract. I don't know if it is financially wise to pay these players that amount of money to be now and then 10 minutes on the field and besides that serving as a role model/tutor for younger players (and some older players will see those younger players as rivals for the same place in the team). What is the alternative: paying them a lesser salary...but look what happened with Ashley Cole or with Sol Campbell when he was a Spurs player...they think they do not earn enough and they leave anyway...

Arsenal should buy older players as role models (one good example: AC Milan, i hear from the Milan fans that Van Bommel is doing great...while he will certainly not play for free for Milan, i'm almost certain that he earns less than with Bayern Munchen).
 
Agree with you, Gerd.
Van Bommel has something that Pirlo does not have in Milan' midfield. A leader character.
Another great character is Michael Ballack :-)

I also think that having role models in squad is important. While Billy Costacurta was a great CB, he was nowhere near as charismatic as Paolo Maldini or Franco Baresi.

Arsenal has many players with great skill: Fabregas, Nasri, RvP, Walcott, Wilshere etc.
But none of them has this character.

Arsenal needs the like of Eric Cantona, Tony Adams, Dennis Wise, Didier Deschamps or Roy Keane.
 
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Arsenal (apparently) almost signed De Jong before City presumably trebled the bid. That kind of player would sort them right out.

As others have pointed out - Arsenal are 2nd in the league, been to one final and made it to past hte group stages of the CL. That's hardly a bad season - even moreso juxtaposed against the spending of Chelsea, City, Tottenham and even Liverpool in the past 3 years.

As a United fan, I would have taken that in August.
 
I do agree with having role models in the team and older players to look upto. But not the fact that we should have kept Vieira etc. I think in terms of Vieria and Henry, they wanted to leave, so we couldn't keep them I don't think anyway. Pires I'm not too sure on.

I do also think the player over 30 one year contract isn't a great idea. This was done to Bergkamp and I would have given him another 5 year contract just for the effect he would have on the team.

It is hard though because if you give an outfield player a 4 year contract at 30, then I would say 2 of those years will be on the wain and we will still be paying them big wages. Which in turn will have an effect on how much we have to spend on other players wages.

So it is not as simple as just keeping our older players for longer. No matter how much it is annoying, you have to think of the money aspect of it. Alot of things won't happen because of the amount of money you have to spend. It is a balancing act and you have to try and second guess things and make calls. Sometimes the calls will be wrong and sometimes right.

It is difficult though, but with all of the rumblings going on that I have heard etc I do think there will be a clear out of some players and some quality brought in the summer. Quality is subjective though :DD
 
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Arsenal (apparently) almost signed De Jong before City presumably trebled the bid. That kind of player would sort them right out.

As others have pointed out - Arsenal are 2nd in the league, been to one final and made it to past hte group stages of the CL. That's hardly a bad season - even moreso juxtaposed against the spending of Chelsea, City, Tottenham and even Liverpool in the past 3 years.

As a United fan, I would have taken that in August.
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I see your point beachryan but, at the end of the season, City will (probably) have 1 title against Arsenal 0 titles. So, surely you wouldn't have taken that!
 
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I do agree with having role models in the team and older players to look upto. But not the fact that we should have kept Vieira etc. I think in terms of Vieria and Henry, they wanted to leave, so we couldn't keep them I don't think anyway. Pires I'm not too sure on.

I do also think the player over 30 one year contract isn't a great idea. This was done to Bergkamp and I would have given him another 5 year contract just for the effect he would have on the team.

It is hard though because if you give an outfield player a 4 year contract at 30, then I would say 2 of those years will be on the wain and we will still be paying them big wages. Which in turn will have an effect on how much we have to spend on other players wages.

So it is not as simple as just keeping our older players for longer. No matter how much it is annoying, you have to think of the money aspect of it. Alot of things won't happen because of the amount of money you have to spend. It is a balancing act and you have to try and second guess things and make calls. Sometimes the calls will be wrong and sometimes right.

It is difficult though, but with all of the rumblings going on that I have heard etc I do think there will be a clear out of some players and some quality brought in the summer. Quality is subjective though :DD
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But that what United did with G. Neville, Giggs and Scholes, Milan - Maldini, Juventus - Del Piero, Barcelona - Luis Enrique (and perhaps Puyol will be the next), Madrid - Hierro (or should be Raul), and maybe Liverpool with Gerrard.

You should keep a role model player who is there in the team not just for the sake of getting paid, but because there is a bond between him and the club.
 
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odiboni said:
But that what United did with G. Neville, Giggs and Scholes, Milan - Maldini, Juventus - Del Piero, Barcelona - Luis Enrique (and perhaps Puyol will be the next), Madrid - Hierro (or should be Raul), and maybe Liverpool with Gerrard.

You should keep a role model player who is there in the team not just for the sake of getting paid, but because there is a bond between him and the club.
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exactly. plus Viera diddnt want to go. he was forced out. Gilberto also diddnt want to go and we treated him like shit by taking the captains armband away from him when he was doing briliant and i think we gave it to Gallas or was it Toures who at that time was only playing first team for arsenal for 5mins.

Pires is another one that did not want to leave.
 
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exactly. plus Viera diddnt want to go. he was forced out. Gilberto also diddnt want to go and we treated him like shit by taking the captains armband away from him when he was doing briliant and i think we gave it to Gallas or was it Toures who at that time was only playing first team for arsenal for 5mins.

Pires is another one that did not want to leave.
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this articel seems to suggest Vieira did want to leave?

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/article-12389230-the-curse-of-leaving-arsenal.do

Gilberto wasn't forced out, the captains armband was taken away from him. Which I also agree was wrong. But i don't think he was forced out, he wanted to leave because of the situation.

Didn't Pires leave because he was offered a longer contract elswhere? so he decided to leave? if a player is past their prime then I can see why they are offered shorter contracts and if another team from abroad gives more stability to a player then they will leave.

To Abou, who I think suggested most of Wengers winnings were with a huge part of George Grahams team? I think the double in 1998 had the great back four, but what about the double in 2002 and onwards? I think they were all mostly Wenger signings?

Anyway, I agree with most things. Everybody I think is in agreement that somethings need to change. That doesn't necessarily mean the manager needs to change, just that his ideas need to change somewhat.
 
well another life line for arsenal. where like a cat with 9 lives and i feel this is our last chance.

screw it up again tomorrow night and i doubt anyone will do us anymore favours. last chance for the gonners.

@bobby. he wanted to leave previous season but changed his mind. season after during the summer he got a phone call from wenger or his agent saying your off to inter milan. Viera was shocked and pissed about it.

All in his biography
 
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To Abou, who I think suggested most of Wengers winnings were with a huge part of George Grahams team? I think the double in 1998 had the great back four, but what about the double in 2002 and onwards? I think they were all mostly Wenger signings?
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I don't think they played a "huge" part but they had a role, didn't they? How many of Wenger's signings have had the same determination and resilience of Parlour and Keown who played their part in the "Invincibles"?

Wenger's problem recently has always been building a cohesive unit. Certain players may not be as talented as others but have certain qualities that a team challenging for honours needs e.g. Fletcher, Park Ji-Sung, O'Shea for us

I mean how many of these tricky, short playmakers does he need, for example? Swap one of Nasri, Arshavin, Rosicky for someone more "rounded" technique wise (Park) or someone who provides width on the wing (Valencia) and you'd probably be better off in terms of squad strength/depth.
 
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well another life line for arsenal. where like a cat with 9 lives and i feel this is our last chance.

screw it up again tomorrow night and i doubt anyone will do us anymore favours. last chance for the gonners.
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Was talking to someone just there, and for me Arsenal will not take advantage of the slip-up, everytime Man U have slipped up, every other team up near the top has done likewise.

I think the best you'll get is a draw.


FD
 
Also I was gonna give props to Jonny on this post above. I thought it's well written and has many valid points and since it's not often I find myself agreeing with Mr. Mendoza, I thought I'd definitely state my case here on this rare occasion. :P

jonneymendoza said:
About Wenger, i find it bizare about this 30 year old rule. The likes of Viera would stil be with us and i reckon Pires could have easily emulated "Ryan Giggs" for united.

such a damm shame. i feel the likes of pires and viera wouldnt mind taking a back seat and play only 10mins a game or in CC games at there age. The senior players would have learn soo much from these veteran players who have seen it all. Wenger has made many mistakes as a manager and this one is one that is considered a big one too.

In a nutshell, one of the issues with the current arsenal side is that it doesnt have any leaders and experience players who has done it all and keeping the likes of Viera, Pires and Gilberto could have fixed this issue without spending millions.

Now look at arsenal, they now have to spend more to bring players like Viera into the team when before they already had players like that and got rid of them soo swiftly.

These players may be off pace on field but in the dressing room and during training they would make a far bigger impact than fabregas and co.

This is how i see Arsenal, i see arsenal as a company who recruits only graduate software developers and even though these developers have great talent and can pick up things quickly, they dont have any mentor or experience of doing the job correct and on deadline under pressure. This is where a senior developer would benifit hugely by giving some advice to the graduates/youngsters and this is the same with the current arsenal side.

The likes of Viera learned from tony adams, Henry learning from Berghamp, Gilberto learning from Viera etc etc. Who is walcott learning from? Eboue? lmao, and what about Song? who is he learning and getting advice from? Denilson? diaby? you see, the current crop of players have no one to look up to.

the current crop of players may know how to pass and play one touch football, do fancy skills etc but do they know how to win games at all cost(in a fair legal manor of course?) do they know when to defend? when to clear the ball out of play?
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Well said jonny.

I agree.

Lots of good posts here recently. Everyone bringing up fresh perspectives but valid points nonetheless. And I very much like and agree with Abou's most recent comment as well. Building a championship winning side is all about balance in squad after all and Wenger just simply doesn't get the balance right. Or at least hasn't done it for years now.

There are no Keowns, Adams, Parlours, Lehmanns, Vieiras, Henry's in this team. No Winterburn or Dixons either who all played with massive heart and were super competitive and ambitious and winners in a nutshell. You have a team so weak mentally that guys like Fabregas and van Persie stand out as leaders. :LOL: That is a joke in itself!
 
jonneymendoza said:
its all kicking off behind the scenes:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/apr/19/arsenal-cesc-fabregas-arsene-wenger

even RVP is moaning about arsenal
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And Fabregas is not responsible for this situation? RVP was not responsible for this situation?

The same Fabreags who backheeled the assist to Messi in the CL game against Barcelona.

The same RVP who got a idiotic yellow card for slapping Abidal, which eventually led to him getting thrown out the game.

Let's think twice before pointing fingers at Wenger. Fabregas, RVP, or whomever is just as guilty as Wenger in Arsenal's shortcomings.

It's so tiring to see people desperate to attack Wenger. Using any piece of information that is against him regardless of whether it is consistent with their stance or not.
 
Yeah This whole Wenger thing is getting too cheap too fast.Even arry is defending Wenger I wonder if gerd n arry are the same ppl :LOL: I find it hard to believe Robin n Fabregas talking about letting goals in and lacking this n that. A witch hunt! Robin get out of the key and go back and defend too! Fabregas stand up and scream to motivate players ,but do it with your mouth OPEN!!I want to hear it from Orlando ffs!
 
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