Arsenal Thread

It's a shame that Moyes rarely tries to win big matches. Everton are a great team, Moyes is a fantastic manager, but they have to think bigger to become a real big team...
 
bebo said:
Well, Man City should beat Spurs, they play like champions well they are the Champions atm . I think Chelsea getting their arse kicked by ManCity will give them an incentive to go on a winning run to put that behind them. I see the fight for 4th btw Arsenal n Spurs tbh. That depends what we do at the cottage.
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Even as a Spurs fan, I wouldn't argue with that. Wthout Bale and Lennon against Citeh, best we can hope for is a draw.

That wouldn't be a bad result if you guys fail to beat Fulham the day before. Here's hoping Jol and Berbatov can do their old club a favour:P

I'd love to see Chelsea miss out tho, just to see what Abramovich does then (sell up?)
 
shak said:
I'd love to see Chelsea miss out tho, just to see what Abramovich does then (sell up?)
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Chelsea did not deserve to be in it this season.

  1. The finished outside the top 4 last season
  2. They was VERY luck to win the CL
  3. They embarassed themselves as holders of the CL title by getting knocked out in the first round. Spurs would have done a better job
 
IMO it's as good as over.
This will be the final result.

1 Man Utd
2 Man City
3 Chelsea
4 Arsenal
5 Everton
6 Spurs

Spurs might end above Everton, but as a Spurs fan i have to admit that Everton deserve to end above Spurs because they achieve big things on a relatively tight budget.

Aarsenal will end 4th because they are out of all the cups for some time now, that is a big advantage in the race to fourth place compared to both Chelsea and Spurs (and Spurs already have a squad that has less depth than Arsenal's).

Jonney, about Chelsea.
They deserve a CL place this year because thye were by far the most attractive team in the EPL. What Arsenal used to be is Chelsea now: a joy to watch. It's not that Arsenal aren't playing attractive anymore, they still do, but it's not the football they played with Song and Fabregas, that was great football (without silverware, i know). I will not even compare the current crop with the invincibles.

Chelsea are far from consistent, but when they are good they are by far the most attractive EPL team with Mata-Oscar-Hazard...that is the football i like to watch.

It's ironical that last year they were awfull to watch but won silverware and now they play fantastic football and have a lesser year...(i still think they might win the Euro League).
 
gerd said:
IMO it's as good as over.
This will be the final result.

1 Man Utd
2 Man City
3 Chelsea
4 Arsenal
5 Everton
6 Spurs

Spurs might end above Everton, but as a Spurs fan i have to admit that Everton deserve to end above Spurs because they achieve big things on a relatively tight budget.
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Have to agree with the fact that Everton deserve to be in europe next year as David Moyes continues to do a fantastic job with a shoestring budget. Mirallas a great signing and Barkley is a definite star for the future.

If we (Spurs) don't make the top 4, then agree that with the fact that I too would wanna finish 6th. Europa League not for me. More of a hindrance (Bale injury) than anything else.
 
I wouldn't want Spurs to end 6th. I want my team to finish as high as possible, so if i had to choose between 5th and 6th, i don't hesitate: 5th.

I also liked that AVB went for the Euro League, that could have cost us points in the EPL, but i don't mind that. I don't agree with Wenger and his 'top 4' is also a trophy-mentality (besides that i'm a big fan of Wenger).

I hope AVB will not be sacked if Spurs end outside the top 4. IMO he's the right manager for Spurs.
 
shak said:
Have to agree with the fact that Everton deserve to be in europe next year as David Moyes continues to do a fantastic job with a shoestring budget. Mirallas a great signing and Barkley is a definite star for the future.
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Sorry to hijack the Arsenal thread with an Everton (mini)rant but..
I must be the only person who can not stand the way they play football, or Tue way Fellaini is praised week in and week out. Yes Moyes has worked wonders and yes his team has done well, but they are not the team people think, they're stoke city in a sugar coating they work their long ball system very often and yet no one complains, that's because of once every 5 minutes they may play a little bit of football down the left wing with the frankly over rated Baines and the mostly underrated Pienaar, this has brought them some success this season but it does little to mask in my opinion the fact they enjoy most of there success when kicking the ball to that over sized bully Fellaini.
Fellaini is not as good footballer as many have said this season, when I see him play it seemed he kicks the opposition players more often than the damn ball, and in the air he's like to throw an elbow of a push your way than challenge for the ball, but he does it so subtly its barely noticed. When he tries to actually play some football he tends to be clumsy and poor in his work ie, when he takes more than two touches of a ball heis less successful than when he has to make a snap reaction of the ball or its obvious like a quick one touch play. He relies on the fact people can't challenge as rashly as he can.

Sorry again, rant over.
 
Taylor_94 said:
Sorry to hijack the Arsenal thread with an Everton (mini)rant but..
I must be the only person who can not stand the way they play football, or Tue way Fellaini is praised week in and week out. Yes Moyes has worked wonders and yes his team has done well, but they are not the team people think, they're stoke city in a sugar coating they work their long ball system very often and yet no one complains, that's because of once every 5 minutes they may play a little bit of football down the left wing with the frankly over rated Baines and the mostly underrated Pienaar, this has brought them some success this season but it does little to mask in my opinion the fact they enjoy most of there success when kicking the ball to that over sized bully Fellaini.
Fellaini is not as good footballer as many have said this season, when I see him play it seemed he kicks the opposition players more often than the damn ball, and in the air he's like to throw an elbow of a push your way than challenge for the ball, but he does it so subtly its barely noticed. When he tries to actually play some football he tends to be clumsy and poor in his work ie, when he takes more than two touches of a ball heis less successful than when he has to make a snap reaction of the ball or its obvious like a quick one touch play. He relies on the fact people can't challenge as rashly as he can.

Sorry again, rant over.
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I can understand you don't like to watch them. IMO Fellaini tends to be overrated and Pienaar underrated, but IMO the rest of your post is exagerated...but it's all very subjective.

Baines is fantastic.

I have a question, aren't you by accident a Man Utd fan ?
 
gerd said:
I can understand you don't like to watch them. IMO Fellaini tends to be overrated and Pienaar underrated, but IMO the rest of your post is exagerated...but it's all very subjective.

Baines is fantastic.

I have a question, aren't you by accident a Man Utd fan ?
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In happy to admit that I exaggerated, I guess that's cause the constant Everton frenzy irks me a touch.

Baines is probably in the top 3 LB's in the prem, and is certainly in the top 5 but that's because the standard in that position is considerably lower than a few years ago. Admittedly I would take him over Evra right now, but I still feel he's over rated, but that may be because of the sheer magnitude of the priase he receives in the English press.

United are the team I follow most yes, but my interest in football has become more about noticing the standard of the game in the world and looking for the beauty in the game, sounds kind of cliche to me!
 
post's with hate more than being realistic , maybe coz they make you lose title last year ?

Everton has a really great team and hope they go to to europe , I wish Tottenham out of this top 5

Everton doing very well year after year and with a really solid buget , well done to Moyes and his team they are really great team all tho I hate they finish more up than Liverpool but they deserve it ;)

Fellaini its class , the guy its amazing i love this guy he play so good and make the diference in field when is needet

Bains top 3 or top 5 ? Bains its best LB on EPL so far , Ashley Cole of his old days its better than him but other than him none is better , if he would play for united , chelsea or city we will see even better how good he's
 
Looks like we are being linked with every player and their dog in the summer :LOL:

I wonder what players we will be linked with if we don't finish 4th? Could be tough.
 
According to the Daily Mail (I know) Spurs want to sign Squillaci when his contract runs out. That would be funny.

To be honest, I'm afraid of another 'robbery' this summer. Just like what happened with Mata two years ago. Player in this case could be Jovetic, with City signing him. Hopefully I'm wrong.
 
Taylor_94 said:
In happy to admit that I exaggerated, I guess that's cause the constant Everton frenzy irks me a touch.

Baines is probably in the top 3 LB's in the prem, and is certainly in the top 5 but that's because the standard in that position is considerably lower than a few years ago. Admittedly I would take him over Evra right now, but I still feel he's over rated, but that may be because of the sheer magnitude of the priase he receives in the English press.

United are the team I follow most yes, but my interest in football has become more about noticing the standard of the game in the world and looking for the beauty in the game, sounds kind of cliche to me!
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I guess I have to preface this by saying I'm NOT an everton fan...but...

Baines is THE top LB (of this season). Yes the standard is lower, but even considering RB's he's the best crosser by FAR, excellent at playing long balls in general, a good dribbler and is solid on the defensive end as well. He complements Everton's style so well - attack down the left with Pienaar and Baines (and switching the play to the left is something Fellaini + co) do excellently to exploit their strength down that flank. To put this in context - he averages MORE THAN FOUR times the number of ACCURATE crosses than Evra manages a game. Yes United have a different set-up to everton who really seek to exploit Baines as much as possible, but he's risen to the occasion.

He's an excellent set-piece taker as well.

He deserves all the plaudits he is getting.
 
Damjan said:
According to the Daily Mail (I know) Spurs want to sign Squillaci when his contract runs out. That would be funny.

To be honest, I'm afraid of another 'robbery' this summer. Just like what happened with Mata two years ago. Player in this case could be Jovetic, with City signing him. Hopefully I'm wrong.
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To be honest, Wenger took a long time with the Mata deal. I don't know whether it's true, but I heard he was offering around £16m while Valencia wanted £20m at least. And then Chelski hijacked the deal, and the rest is history. What a player Mata has been for them.

I think if the interest is real, Arsenal should swoop in and do it quickly.
As Ferguson said when he bought Van Persie, either you want the player, or you don't. This is very true, when you have cash rich vultures in the form of City and Chelsea, and even United themselves scooping our targets.

I hope to see common sense prevailing for once during this transfer window, and I hope offensive midfielders or strikers don't end up signing with Chelsea or City for ridiculous amounts, without considering the playing time they're gonna get.
 
Yeah but its not like Arsenal don't have the money. If you want a good player, you need to spend the required amount otherwise you're constantly going to get deals hijacked by the Manchester clubs and Chelsea and even Liverpool.

I would like to see the likes of Arsenal, Spurs and Everton spend some real money to bring in some quality players in an attempt to (possibly) challenge for the title and not just a top 4 place but in reality, only teams competing in the Champions League can attract such players.
 
But if Chelsea or Man City are interested in any players we are interested in and they really want them, then we just can't compete with them.

Lets say we want Jovetic and we offer 30million, Man City just come in and offer 40 million or more and he is theirs unless he really wants to come to us.

The extra 10million or so Chelsea and Man City can add on top is pocket change to them and even though we are a wealthy club, we are not that wealthy to get into a bidding war with any of them.

If we have 70mill to spend, then we will never spend the majority of that on one player (For one we need more players this summer to strengthen the squad), whereas Chelsea and city would spend 50mill in a heart beat and still have loads more money for other players.
 
Not to mention that they can just about match our offer for transfer fee and offer the player £200k a week. How can we compete with that? There is no way Wenger will allow a newcomer to join the club on this kind of money.

For the most part, people are hopeful about the effects of Financial Fair Play kicking in soon, but I'm rather skeptical about the whole thing.
 
Looks like we are getting through games through the skin of our teeth! As long as we are winning I suppose, but we need to start playing better to win the last few games.
 
It is a bit worrying how we didn't play very well against a side reduced to 10 men. In fact, it seems we were outplayed on some parts of the 2nd half.

Cazorla is once again being criticised for a poor game. Some say he's too tired, but I think it was because he was played as a winger once again. To me, it's no coincidence. This is a warning! Look at happened to Arshavin, Wenger. Please just use Santi in his correct position, and he will come with the goods.
Rosicky was the attacking midfielder yesterday, and while I have no problems with that, I still think it is a waste to play Cazorla on the flanks.

We are in serious trouble now with out attacking options, with 4 games left and Giroud getting a 3-match ban for his straight red. In addition, Podolski is clearly affected by the injury he's carrying and plays with the handbrakes on right now. And Walcott has been poor after returning from injury.

We will have to make do with an attacking trio of Gervinho, Ox and Walcott. With Podolski as an option in the subs bench.
 
Rentboy said:
It is a bit worrying how we didn't play very well against a side reduced to 10 men. In fact, it seems we were outplayed on some parts of the 2nd half.

Cazorla is once again being criticised for a poor game. Some say he's too tired, but I think it was because he was played as a winger once again. To me, it's no coincidence. This is a warning! Look at happened to Arshavin, Wenger. Please just use Santi in his correct position, and he will come with the goods.
Rosicky was the attacking midfielder yesterday, and while I have no problems with that, I still think it is a waste to play Cazorla on the flanks.

We are in serious trouble now with out attacking options, with 4 games left and Giroud getting a 3-match ban for his straight red. In addition, Podolski is clearly affected by the injury he's carrying and plays with the handbrakes on right now. And Walcott has been poor after returning from injury.

We will have to make do with an attacking trio of Gervinho, Ox and Walcott. With Podolski as an option in the subs bench.
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Yeah it is definitely worrying how we are not playing well, everybody should be on top of their games.

I haven't seen the game, but read a few match reports and it sounds like Cazorla just wasn't playing well (Like much of the rest of the team). I think it was Arseblog that mentioned even his corner kicks were extremely poor, to me this suggests he is having an off day more than anything.

But, I agree with you he should be played in the center, but if The Pod can't play a full game there yet and he wants to also play Rosicky because of his recent displays, I can see why he is being played there. But hopefully it doesn't last long, because he is considerably more effective in the center.

I don't think this will be a case of Wenger playing him there all of the time from now on, he is there because of circumstance rather than Wenger wanting to turn him into a winger/wide attacker.
 
BobbyBox said:
Yeah it is definitely worrying how we are not playing well, everybody should be on top of their games.

I haven't seen the game, but read a few match reports and it sounds like Cazorla just wasn't playing well (Like much of the rest of the team). I think it was Arseblog that mentioned even his corner kicks were extremely poor, to me this suggests he is having an off day more than anything.

But, I agree with you he should be played in the center, but if The Pod can't play a full game there yet and he wants to also play Rosicky because of his recent displays, I can see why he is being played there. But hopefully it doesn't last long, because he is considerably more effective in the center.

I don't think this will be a case of Wenger playing him there all of the time from now on, he is there because of circumstance rather than Wenger wanting to turn him into a winger/wide attacker.
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I don't know exactly what fitness issues Wenger had to manage yesterday, but it seemed to me Cazorla was a bit knackered. If he had Rosicky fit to play in the middle, I'd give Santi just one half, and especially not on the flanks.

I don't know if he had Gervinho available though. Would be a good option at any time during that game. And when they got a player sent off it would be great to have Gervinho trying to explore the empty space left.

I saw the Arseblog player ratings post but I take those with a pinch of salt nowadays. I saw him give Cazorla a 4/10 and I don't think he was that bad. He, too, has his favoured players and Ramsey is definitely one of them. Even when Ramsey has a nightmare of a match he never gets such low ratings :P

But to be fair with Ramsey, he played 3 fantastic matches in a row now (apart from badly missing the target from a good chance yesterday). But he definitely has a good run of matches in his favoured position in midfield and his defensive shift has been very good.

In fact, I'd like Wenger to take it easy on Wilshere and let Ramsey play in that position and build on these performances. IMO Aaron makes the midfield more balanced when he plays alongside Arteta and Cazorla. He takes some burden off Arteta. But when Wenger uses Wilshere, Arteta and Cazorla as a trio, it is like everybody wants to attack and that's where Arteta struggles in his already unfamiliar defensive role.
The same would apply to a midfield of Arteta, Wilshere and Rosicky.

But I think most importantly, we have to realise how we can't expect any sort of defensive work rate from Cazorla being played as a winger. The guy is our leading goal scorer and sets everybody up nicely with assists. I think we all know by now where he is good at.
 
Rentboy said:
I don't know exactly what fitness issues Wenger had to manage yesterday, but it seemed to me Cazorla was a bit knackered. If he had Rosicky fit to play in the middle, I'd give Santi just one half, and especially not on the flanks.

I don't know if he had Gervinho available though. Would be a good option at any time during that game. And when they got a player sent off it would be great to have Gervinho trying to explore the empty space left.

I saw the Arseblog player ratings post but I take those with a pinch of salt nowadays. I saw him give Cazorla a 4/10 and I don't think he was that bad. He, too, has his favoured players and Ramsey is definitely one of them. Even when Ramsey has a nightmare of a match he never gets such low ratings :P

But to be fair with Ramsey, he played 3 fantastic matches in a row now (apart from badly missing the target from a good chance yesterday). But he definitely has a good run of matches in his favoured position in midfield and his defensive shift has been very good.

In fact, I'd like Wenger to take it easy on Wilshere and let Ramsey play in that position and build on these performances. IMO Aaron makes the midfield more balanced when he plays alongside Arteta and Cazorla. He takes some burden off Arteta. But when Wenger uses Wilshere, Arteta and Cazorla as a trio, it is like everybody wants to attack and that's where Arteta struggles in his already unfamiliar defensive role.
The same would apply to a midfield of Arteta, Wilshere and Rosicky.

But I think most importantly, we have to realise how we can't expect any sort of defensive work rate from Cazorla being played as a winger. The guy is our leading goal scorer and sets everybody up nicely with assists. I think we all know by now where he is good at.
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I agree with that.

Although he isn't our leading goalscorer?
 
So I guess that means Giroud can't play against us? If so, I actually think it might work to your benefit. I'm more concerned about Cazorla, Walcott and Podolski together without the Giroud "distraction"
 
Yes, I meant Cazorla leads the team in league goals with 12. If you consider this is his first season, it's really impressive! I couldn't be happier about having him in our squad.

As for Giroud, yes he will be out for the United clash. I hope we do well without him, but it must be said he is a real handful to opposition centre halves. I think he will be missed.

But I hope United clinch the title tomorrow and they come to London and just relax a bit :)
 
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