Arsenal Thread

if we dont make top 4 should wenger go? its his fault we had such a poor start to the season and got knocked out by lesser sides in two cups.

Wenger has to be questioned of we dont make top 4
 
Yes he has, but let's wait and see how this season ends. There's a chance we will finish 3rd again, I know it's crazy but still... if he does that for a 2nd consecutive season then I'll shut up about his team selection and experiments. But still will bitch about his transfer policy of course :P
Because then it will be more like "ok Wenger, we see you can pull this off with a weaker squad, we GOT the point ok? But pretty please go reinforce this squad properly so we can be challenging for 1st instead?!"
 
I didn't think it was that bad to be honest, he was a little unlucky that he kicked the ball and his foot went up instead of down. Not nearly as bad as Sidwell's.

But, you can't really overtturn that imo.
 
So I opened livescore.com thinking "Let's see what United did, if they're champions...whatever"...just bored curiosity, then I saw 3 RVP goals, so not only did he put United 1st he literally won them the League.

Which made me sick instantly.

Sad. cruel. ironic.
 
If only RVP left w dignity you w'd expect it in return. That statement as a captain has a reaction to it.

Remember footballers are footballers!
'The bottom line is that I want to win trophies with Arsenal, not with anybody else. It's my dream and I see no point in speaking about other teams when I have these dreams. I think other people know that about me; I’m just hungry to win with Arsenal and that's it.'

That's Robin van Persie speaking in February 2011.
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that was before his statement on leaving...Arsenal has no plan in wining the titles ATM. Mutd was his only option to win imo.
 
That's past now, Arsenal needs to learn with mistakes. We have some hungry players in Cazorla, Wilshere, Mertesacker, Podolski... we need to ADD world class quality to this squad without losing any major name (especially to a competitor of the same league).

Think about it, it's been 4 or 5 years since we let our best players leave nearly every season. How can we build on something if we carry on like that?

When you look at the season Cazorla has been having, and you just imagine if RVP was still in our team, getting the service from Santi and from our wingers... I reckon he would have a season almost just as good as this one he's having at United.
So where do you reckon we'd be now?
I personally think we could be where City are, except United wouldn't be out of sight.

When people say all we needed is 2-3 more quality and experienced players, there's truth to that. Providing we get to keep our best talent after the end of the season, that is.

Let's see from now on, Walcott's secure, no contract issues other than Sagna... if we qualify for the CL and Wenger decides to show he's got balls in the next transfer market, things should get much better for us.

Jovetic + Isco or Benteke + a mean DMF please.
 
I hope they do the Guard of Honour and it humiliates them into doing something next season.

I'm sure our players will be saying hi and welcoming Van Persie and I await the fans being dicks to the players that do it, but they are his friends, I don't give a shit really.

I'm past caring about Van Persie, it was our fault selling him to Man United, he was a dick but these things happen. He has been proved right for moving and no matter how much that sticks in the gut, it was a good move for him.

Our players need to give everything against United though, because if we lose that I think our chances of 4th are slim.

I just hope we get some quality in next season to bolster our squad and we can challenge again for the title.
 
I'm sorry Bobby, i respect you a lot, but why would Arsenal fans be mad at RVP ?
He served you well.
In the end he left and like you said, you blame the club for that.
People like RVP but also Song, Fabregas, Clichy and Nasri have left the club because they want real trophy's (not a 4th place). I don't see what is wrong with that.

I realize that fans are pissed because guys like Nasri and RVP have (supposedly?) said some things in the press about winning silverware. I don't understand why fans seem to take that personal.

Both Modric and Berbatov left Spurs after some conflicts, i would never boo them i've they would come back to White Hart Lane (i've never been to White Hart Lane to be honest, but you know what i mean) i would applaud them for all what they did for Spurs.

I've never understood the "Judas" thing about Campbell too...the way some Spurs fans reacted to Campbell is moronic. If i had an offer for a better job, i would not hesitate, not would 99% of these moaners...football is a job for these people. And i don't buy the argument that it isn't a job like others... For us it might seem a dream (for me personally not at all) but for them it is as much routine as our job...
 
gerd said:
I'm sorry Bobby, i respect you a lot, but why would Arsenal fans be mad at RVP ?
He served you well.
In the end he left and like you said, you blame the club for that.
People like RVP but also Song, Fabregas, Clichy and Nasri have left the club because they want real trophy's (not a 4th place). I don't see what is wrong with that.

I realize that fans are pissed because guys like Nasri and RVP have (supposedly?) said some things in the press about winning silverware. I don't understand why fans seem to take that personal.

Both Modric and Berbatov left Spurs after some conflicts, i would never boo them i've they would come back to White Hart Lane (i've never been to White Hart Lane to be honest, but you know what i mean) i would applaud them for all what they did for Spurs.

I've never understood the "Judas" thing about Campbell too...the way some Spurs fans reacted to Campbell is moronic. If i had an offer for a better job, i would not hesitate, not would 99% of these moaners...football is a job for these people. And i don't buy the argument that it isn't a job like others... For us it might seem a dream (for me personally not at all) but for them it is as much routine as our job...
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My post was to say that our fans should just get on with it and not be mad anymore.

But I understand why they are mad and I understand why he left.

But, his actions throughout were not that great, he questioned the club openly which was just hugely disrespectful to Arsenal and released that statement to force a move.

It all just wasn't nice from a player that said he was a Gooner and wanted to win things with us. The club paid his wages all through the injuries and paid for his rehabilitation and showed him the utmost respect, for him to release that statement was just horrible.

We went through all of the frustrating seasons of him being injured knowing we had a world class striker and then when he has a full uninterrupted season, he leaves the next season.

I agree they see it as a job, but if you leave your job being a dick, then people at your previous workplace won't like you for it. It is the same here.

But as I said I can understand why he left.
 
gerd said:
People like RVP but also Song, Fabregas, Clichy and Nasri have left the club because they want real trophy's (not a 4th place). I don't see what is wrong with that.

I realize that fans are pissed because guys like Nasri and RVP have (supposedly?) said some things in the press about winning silverware. I don't understand why fans seem to take that personal.
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Out of the players mentioned, only RvP and Clichy are getting first team football regularly. Guys like Song and Nasri left to get champions medals, without caring if they play or not.

Nasri even complained in an interview that he was playing too much at Arsenal, and that being rested at City was good for him!! Hard to believe, but he did.

Van Persie openly criticised the club in an open statement (which made his position at Arsenal untenable) and touched topics that are more relevant to football directors and chairmen. That was way out of line.
There's no denying the move was good for him professionally and financially. If he left without that open letter, maybe fans would still hate him, but it would be purely irrational.
But after exposing Arsenal like that, the fans have every right to be hostile to him now.
He served us well but he ended up as a massive cunt.
 
But let's suppose that the Arsenal had listened to RVP and changed things, maybe he would have stayed (i know it is a very long shot).

What i want to say is that it is an extremely fine line between being a player who is seen as a club icon and who always act for the greater intrest of the club, and a player who is a deserter. Maybe the player who ended up being a deserter started as a club icon.

There are examples enough: one that comes to my mind most recently is Iker Casillas at Real. Before that there was Raul,also with Real...

Sometimes things are not what they seem.

Can you blame a player like Song when he leaves because Barcelona wants him. Would it not be great tell your kids and their kids that you played for perhaps the greatest club team of all times (it's strange to write this after yesterday evening).
Modric left Spurs for Real Madrid, is he a regular ? No. If i have one regret it's not because he left, but because he hardly plays, that is such a shame. Same goes for Berbatov when he was with United. But maybe both Modric and Berbatov depsrately wanted to play for an iconic club (and IMO both Spurs and Arsenal aren't iconic clubs, England has only two iconic clubs: Man Utd and Liverpool).
I'm pretty sure Song realised that he would not be a regular player. But maybe he wanted that badly to play for Barcelona. Can you blame him ? I don't think so.

As for Nasri, well he is an idiot.
 
gerd said:
But let's suppose that the Arsenal had listened to RVP and changed things, maybe he would have stayed (i know it is a very long shot).

What i want to say is that it is an extremely fine line between being a player who is seen as a club icon and who always act for the greater intrest of the club, and a player who is a deserter. Maybe the player who ended up being a deserter started as a club icon.

There are examples enough: one that comes to my mind most recently is Iker Casillas at Real. Before that there was Raul,also with Real...

Sometimes things are not what they seem.

Can you blame a player like Song when he leaves because Barcelona wants him. Would it not be great tell your kids and their kids that you played for perhaps the greatest club team of all times (it's strange to write this after yesterday evening).
Modric left Spurs for Real Madrid, is he a regular ? No. If i have one regret it's not because he left, but because he hardly plays, that is such a shame. Same goes for Berbatov when he was with United. But maybe both Modric and Berbatov depsrately wanted to play for an iconic club (and IMO both Spurs and Arsenal aren't iconic clubs, England has only two iconic clubs: Man Utd and Liverpool).
I'm pretty sure Song realised that he would not be a regular player. But maybe he wanted that badly to play for Barcelona. Can you blame him ? I don't think so.

As for Nasri, well he is an idiot.
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A club that has a rich history in the top flight of English football, Is the 4th most profitable club in the world etc etc should listen to Robin Van Persie? It just doesn't make sense.

He released the statement to get a move, he didn't have to release that statement to move, he just did it out of the blue. If he didn't release that statement and left people wouldn't dislike him so much, if he didn't release that statement and didn't end up going to Man United only a small percentage of people would have a bad word against him.

Nobody hates Song, he didn't do anything wrong at all, if he comes back to play against us I'm sure he will get a good reception. If the club would have wanted him, he would have stayed (Maybe next season he would have kicked up a fuss, but when he left everything was fine).
 
RvP shouldn't have stayed against his will and to live in the hope Arsenal would change things around would not be right - a football player career is short after all.
Maybe he did have to move, as it made more sense to him. It's just that he should have done so quietly.

The line between a club legend or villain is thin indeed. Maybe if he had stayed on to finish his career at the club he could have become a club hero, even if a lot of shit happened behind the curtains, most fans wouldn't know.

If he had gone quietly to United, rest assured that fans would still hate him for the switch.
But then, these feelings would be of bitterness and totally irrational.

I for one would understand that he's a professional and that's how things work - although the sight of him lifting the trophy still would be stomach churning stuff.

Having said that, I hope the guys do the guard of honour thing on Sunday. It was thoroughly deserved after all.
And then during the match, Van Persie will hear the anger, I can assure you!
 
RVP knew what is to come. Look what happens to Nasri when he comes to a match at the Emirates, he gets abused violently! Cesc will probably be praise whenever he stops by to a match at the Emirates. RVP is the one that says he loves it every time Spurs loses a match, that's the fan in him.

I hope we battered them at the weekend. We need 3pts!
 
I think Fergie will take it easy on Arsenal, he seems to have a good relationship with Wenger at the moment. He has built in excuses (hangover after winning the title). I hope to see Janusazj, Powell and other fringe youth players.

Benitez and Chelsea on the other hand, he's going to be up for it at OT :)
 
YoungGun_UK said:
We have nothing to play for Beach, we'll be full strength with the points record to strive for.
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That..and RvP's golden boot, gotta keep Bale at a safe distance :PIRATE:

Actually kinda looking forward to this one. Even though we may not have not have to win this, I would hate to lose.

I have mixed feelings on the RvP saga..I was a fan of his before joining Utd, but I will agree that he could/should have played his outside communication card a little better. Because we will probably never know about the full extent of what went on behind closed doors, his words were looked upon as disrespectful towards Arsenal as a whole. Unfortunately, I would wager that a lot of Gunners agree with some of his frustration regarding the management of the club. Had he criticized them and stayed, a lot folks probably would have agreed with the man.
Because he left, it suddenly became a "him versus us" rather than a "him for us" scenario.
I tend to think that the only ones who will get satisfaction out of any verbal abuse RvP will get, will be Arsenal's upper management. Not the team or coaching staff.
 
I think we all feel his frustration at some of what Wenger/Club has done over the last few years. One of the frustrations was seeing him injured for a great period of time.

But the way he came out and said it was just very bad and he knew what he was doing by releasing the statement. He was going to leave anyway and to let out that statement just left the club open for shit from the fans and to create a bad atmosphere at the club.

Thankfully (And it actually made me proud of the majority of Arsenal fans) the fans saw it for what it was and turned on him instead of the club.

I think he thought that it would put the emphasis on the club and not him, but it completely backfired on him.

At the time I thought it would be 50/50 that he would leave or stay and if he would have left I wouldn't have blamed him. But releasing that statement was just not needed and disrespectful to Arsenal and the fans.

Van Persie releasing that statement was a completely selfish act, it had no thought to helping Arsenal.

Back to the football, I am waiting for this thread to erupt when Gervinho is put in the center against Man United :LOL:

I think he should try The Pod for at least the first 45 mins and see how he does in the center, but I would be surprised if he did so. Playing Walcott there would be a mistake imo, but I would be happy to be proved wrong.

It's a big game to have a disjointed attack.
 
dplane said:
That..and RvP's golden boot, gotta keep Bale at a safe distance :PIRATE:

Actually kinda looking forward to this one. Even though we may not have not have to win this, I would hate to lose.

I have mixed feelings on the RvP saga..I was a fan of his before joining Utd, but I will agree that he could/should have played his outside communication card a little better. Because we will probably never know about the full extent of what went on behind closed doors, his words were looked upon as disrespectful towards Arsenal as a whole. Unfortunately, I would wager that a lot of Gunners agree with some of his frustration regarding the management of the club. Had he criticized them and stayed, a lot folks probably would have agreed with the man.
Because he left, it suddenly became a "him versus us" rather than a "him for us" scenario.
I tend to think that the only ones who will get satisfaction out of any verbal abuse RvP will get, will be Arsenal's upper management. Not the team or coaching staff.
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When his close to 40 playing at america , arsenal wont be taking him on a loan or letting him train with us.

the way he went from arsenal, he went in bad terms which is stupid of him.
 
Van Persie thought he was bigger than the club, because he was our best player. He openly questioned the board, but then he proceeds to do exactly what he was questioning. That combined with the fact he left for United made it worse for me. If he had gone to a non-English club I still would not have liked him, but now I strongly dislike him.
 
I remember the days of horse placenta and his baby angles wrap up like baby Jesus. He could hardly finish a season and without having a proper ST . Wenger gave him the confidants and belief in which He is the player today.

I don't hate him, I was shock how you say you love a club and are grateful. Then, turn and say I was here for 8 season and forget mostly injured. To have your father do art work at the Emirates and your son to play in the academy. They too are part of the family, because Wenger wanted you to be bigger than Bergkamp. Wenger today still help and communicates w/ players from his Highbury days. Pires is now training w/ Arsenal. Always trying to get players opportunity at other leagues.

I know Wenger and one day he will still help RVP . It's in his nature as a human and the love for football. Wenger doesn't have a pride in how he is treated. Life has its funny ways and giving back what you gave. I can't speak for SAF he's from an old generation their bitter and unforgiving way still rule them.

I would love to see Neville vs Schmiechel tunnel snub, but players aren't like that just us fans. :LOL:
 
I think the glowing way he talks about Arsenal should be taken into account, he hasn't badmouthed the club once since he's left, if anything he's done the opposite.

Unlike the players prior to him you have to consider his age and what he's won, it was now or never for him at 29.
 
YoungGun_UK said:
I think the glowing way he talks about Arsenal should be taken into account, he hasn't badmouthed the club once since he's left, if anything he's done the opposite.

Unlike the players prior to him you have to consider his age and what he's won, it was now or never for him at 29.
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Again I don't think anybody blames him for wanting to move, just the way he did it and where he went (the latter to a lessor extent, for me anyway).

What could he possibly bad mouth us about though? us nursing him throughout all of his injuries, being patient with him and our fans adoring him? making him captain?

This is why his statement hurt when he left, it was a big thing for him to do, it wasn't a passing comment, it was planned and articulated in such a way, which again was disrespectful to both the club and the fans.

He should have kept it all private and left with dignity, instead he poo'd all over it.

I think he regrets the comment as I do think he cares for the club, but it is too late to go back now, he has made his bed as they say (Not that I think he cares too much after winning the league).

He will probably score a hatrick against us at the weekend and rub it in even more :LOL:
 
bebo said:
I would love to see Neville vs Schmiechel tunnel snub, but players aren't like that just us fans. :LOL:
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Most players wouldn't, such as Sagna or Vermaelen for instance, because they don't have the fan connection to the club. I could see Jack the Lad giving him the cold treatment though :D
 
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