Arsenal Thread

[dplane]

He is? Can't find anything anywhere. Not great news if true. Edit: withdrew from Dutch friendlies with an injury. Hopefully it's a case of 'useless intl friendlies in middle of season' injury.

Btw, probably the classiest thing going in football is wishing injury to a player you used to support.

Van Gaal wants to experiment with the young guys these two exhibition games is my understanding. Even if he is injured I think it's indeed a case of what you described. Seems to be common with the top players of the big natl teams.

 

[dplane]

It's a real threat, beachryan. The guy's ankle is made of porcelain or something, I'm telling you.
Having said that, I don't wish him any injuries. I want no excuses from United fans at the end of the season
And especially I want him to be flattened by Sagna in the Emirates match (Bac owes him one).

Fucking hell, here we are. Still talking about that wanker!

It's only a sign you secretly still have a man crush, I can see right through all the hate speech

 

[user name 99]

Btw, probably the classiest thing going in football is wishing injury to a player you used to support.

So we Arsenal fans must have a HUGE list of players we want to get injured, such as him, Adebadyor, Gallas, Cashley, Clishee, Nasfree...

 

[ZeroTheHero]

You can say 'Deal with it' as much as you want on any subject you want, but it is in fact such a stupid statement to say in most situations because it totally dismisses all of the reasoning behind the discussion in the first place.

In this case though, there aren't any reasoning behind the discussion which makes "deal with it" a perfect choice of discussion closer. You make it sound like it's unusual to switch clubs and that the player in question owes Arsenal anything. Well, he doesn't. He played well and scored a lot of goals, and then he wanted to move on. What's wrong with that?

If you look at it from another viewpoint, if he hadn't played well and scored goals, how do you think the club would have treated him? It's fairly obvious that he would've been out the door. The "you should be loyal" statement from club and fans is the most hypocritical part of football today because players that aren't performing over time usually gets treated like crap on toast.

He shouldn't have joined a rival you say... well doesn't it count what he wants? I mean, it's his career so why should he care what a few replaceable fans thinks? Would you have thanked him with a lot of money for his loyalty? Would you've bought him fake trophies and comforted him on dark and lonely nights?

Again, get over it. There's more to the picture than a narrow-minded fans viewpoint. Opportunistic and pragmatic is after all the desired personality in a goalscorer.

But if you want to post crappy posts and spell check me go ahead, I will hold you close to my heart and think of you as a valued member of this forum.

It wasn't a spell check, you used a completely different word. That may even be the aftermath of a stroke, you know. I figured you maybe had a stroke when van Persie left for United...

Lighten up dude, there's more to life than football.

 

[BobbyBox]

In this case though, there aren't any reasoning behind the discussion which makes "deal with it" a perfect choice of discussion closer. You make it sound like it's unusual to switch clubs and that the player in question owes Arsenal anything. Well, he doesn't. He played well and scored a lot of goals, and then he wanted to move on. What's wrong with that?

If you look at it from another viewpoint, if he hadn't played well and scored goals, how do you think the club would have treated him? It's fairly obvious that he would've been out the door. The "you should be loyal" statement from club and fans is the most hypocritical part of football today because players that aren't performing over time usually gets treated like crap on toast.

He shouldn't have joined a rival you say... well doesn't it count what he wants? I mean, it's his career so why should he care what a few replaceable fans thinks? Would you have thanked him with a lot of money for his loyalty? Would you've bought him fake trophies and comforted him on dark and lonely nights?

Again, get over it. There's more to the picture than a narrow-minded fans viewpoint. Opportunistic and pragmatic is after all the desired personality in a goalscorer.



It wasn't a spell check, you used a completely different word. That may even be the aftermath of a stroke, you know. I figured you maybe had a stroke when van Persie left for United...

Lighten up dude, there's more to life than football.

 

[Rantboy]

 

[BobbyBox]

That is one of the best face palms I have seen!

 

[bebo]

If you look at it from another viewpoint, if he hadn't played well and scored goals, how do you think the club would have treated him? It's fairly obvious that he would've been out the door. The "you should be loyal" statement from club and fans is the most hypocritical part of football today because players that aren't performing over time usually gets treated like crap on toast.

This! RVP
I think Ramsey is leaving after this season

 

[ZeroTheHero]

Facepalm all you want. Once you develop some reflection in your thought patters you'll see the point.

I simply don't see the point on putting hate on players for choosing against certain fan wishes and fans who aren't able to see past their team colours aren't worth the air they're breathing.

 

[bebo]

Van Persie, also angry after being stamped on by Adebayor during the game, commented:

"He has shown a real lack of class today, to me and the fans."

deal with it!

 

[BobbyBox]

Facepalm all you want. Once you develop some reflection in your thought patters you'll see the point.

I simply don't see the point on putting hate on players for choosing against certain fan wishes and fans who aren't able to see past their team colours aren't worth the air they're breathing.

People who miss the point of whole conversations and reasonings behind them, are not worth the air they're are breathing.

BTW

Thought patterns

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_Thought_Patterns

Thought Patters

........doesn't even exist as a term!

Did you have stroke while writing that?

 

[gerd]

@ zero the hero.

I tend to agree with you on what you write about the grudge lots of English football fans hold against former players who criticize their club. I think most contintal fans wouldn't react that way (although i wonder how Dortmund fans would react when Lewandowski would go to Schalke). IMO this is something cultural, i.e. typically for the way English fans live football. In Italy for example lots of players have played for both Milan clubs or for one Milan club and Juventus...this seems much less of an item over there.

One advice (and i hope this doesn't sound too patronizing). In discussion like this it never helps when you assume the morale high ground...this is the best way of assuring that people react defensive.

Bobyy is a very nice guy (i wouldn't be here anymore if it wasn't for him, so i owe him a very big one) who seldom reacts like he did to your posts. Maybe this should ring an alarm bell or two ?

No hard feelings, and yes strictly speaking this is none of my business... i just wanted to "help"...

 

[jonneymendoza]

zero has lost the plot to be honest.

you just know that if one of his teams star players joined a rival and talk shit about his club, he would be upset with that player

 

[Rantboy]

A classic case of people who jump in the middle of a discussion and totally miss the point. But if he read the last 2 pages or so and still wanna harp on about this, then it's a hopeless case.
Can we draw it for him?

 

[jonneymendoza]

A classic case of people who jump in the middle of a discussion and totally miss the point. But if he read the last 2 pages or so and still wanna harp on about this, then it's a hopeless case.
Can we draw it for him?

You would need to draw and then colour it in as well

 

[ZeroTheHero]

Thought patterns

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_Thought_Patterns

Thought Patters

........doesn't even exist as a term!

Did you have stroke while writing that?

Really?

If wikipedia is your only source then maybe that's why your thoughts are lacking in the first place

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/thought-pattern


Dortmund has lost many star players to rivals, or haven't you guys read the papers recently?
It happens and it's not worth spending time and grief on it. If players weren't allowed to celebrate goals or switch clubs, the world of football would be that much poorer. I agree that some special "romantic" cases where a former player wouldn't celebrate a goal against a certain club is nice, but I don't see why that should be a common practice.

He's obviously a dick

This is where it started, he was referring to van Persie. He scored an important goal and celebrated it, there's no reason to call him a dick for that.

 

[Rantboy]

Fans will react in all kinds of ways. When Gotze switched to Bayern there were fans burning his shirts and protesting against it, the same way. And probably hating and verbally abusing him too. If not worse, which I wouldn't doubt.

It's a bit rich from you, coming here suggesting your fans "dealt with it" gracefully.

And what if Gotze left airing dirty laundry, undermining the work of the manager who had always believed in him, and saying Dortmund doesn't win stuff and is mismanaged, and he wants to move to win stuff?

I just don't get why is it so difficult to understand the difference? When a player leaves quietly like Clichy and Touré, even if to another English club, fans leave them alone. Nasri said some stuff and got some stick, but now the fans kind of got off his back. Adebayor got stick because he made a case of celebrating a goal for City in front of the Arsenal fans (running to the opposite side of the pitch to do so). Fabregas left to his home club, he wanted to go home and he's fine on any Arsenal fan's book.

There are different reactions and different degrees. But no doubt what Van Persie did was the worst, stabbed the manager and the club in the back and, therefore, is a massive massive cunt.

 

[bebo]

“When we got back into the dressing room at the break, Robin made it obvious he wasn’t happy. And I was the reason he wasn’t happy. I wasn’t passing the ball enough, apparently. I wasn’t being a team player, apparently. I was intent on being an individual, on playing for myself, apparently.
“It wasn’t the first time he’d had a go at me. During the Amsterdam Tournament (2007) he accused me of wasting the ball and ignoring him when he thought I should have passed to him. He was pretty hyped up because he was on home soil and he wanted to put on a good show in front of his countrymen. He didn’t like it when I ignored what he was saying.
‘I am never ever going to pass you the ball again!’ he yelled at me.
‘You’re a big man then, aren’t you!’ I responded.
“Robin wanted to fight me there and then, and it was the same in the dressing room at the Emirates during the game against Spurs. He was shouting at me and he went absolutely nuts. There were people holding him back because he wanted to get at me. I think part of the reason Robin got so angry was that he was surprised I had answered him back in front of everyone else. He wasn’t having any of it.
“There was no lingering resentment on my part and none on Robin’s. Exchanges like that happen at football clubs all the time.”

Theo's new book quotes.... RVP is a dick , deal wit it!

 

[beachryan]

Haha, big brave Theo Walcott - sentences the world has never thought to utter, ever.

Roy Keane would have told Theo Walcott he runs down blind alleys, shoots when he should cross and plays with his head down to the detriment of his team. Not because Keane is a dick (he is) but because he's the captain and he's right. Theo in 2007 was a headless chicken.

Does anyone believe locker room chat is conducted with white boards and cups of tea?

 

[Damjan]

It's fake.

 

[gerd]

I was also thinking about Roy Keane when reading that.
But then again...even when i was a Man Utd fan i never saw what was special about Roy Keane...
Before Keane Man Utd's leader was the great Eric Cantona...enough said, no ?


Edit: i'm not an Adebayor fan (for Spurs he is a disgrace except one or two matches a season), but could that celebration not have some relation with the way some Arsenal 'fans' once treated Eboue ? At that match Adebayor had the guts and the grace to care openly for his teammate...i really liked that gesture. He may be a lazy player, but then and there he proved that he is a decent human being...

That match is still a black page in Arsenal's history and is proof that fans don't care about players...if a player is not good enough in their eyes, he can't be offloaded quick enough (read this thread about Aron Ramsey, Van Persie, Walcott and others).

To be fair things like that happen at every club. I listen to a Spurs podcast,boy the way they offload players...one day Eriksen was the best AMF in the world, now he isn't good enough...

 

[BobbyBox]

Really?

If wikipedia is your only source then maybe that's why your thoughts are lacking in the first place

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/thought-pattern


Dortmund has lost many star players to rivals, or haven't you guys read the papers recently?
It happens and it's not worth spending time and grief on it. If players weren't allowed to celebrate goals or switch clubs, the world of football would be that much poorer. I agree that some special "romantic" cases where a former player wouldn't celebrate a goal against a certain club is nice, but I don't see why that should be a common practice.


This is where it started, he was referring to van Persie. He scored an important goal and celebrated it, there's no reason to call him a dick for that.

Now I know you are mental and don't read things properly. It gives me some comfort.

You said thought patters not patterns, I referred to Wikipedia because that is what you did, it was to highlight your ridiculous post and to mock your self righteous ramblings made to me before hand.

It obviously flew right over your head. Your whole argument holds no weight because you are not reading what we are saying properly. We have no problem with fans moving teams, if you read my posts properly you would see that even him moving to United wasnt the major thing. It was he way he left and what he said and the way he acted and also the celebration. If anybody acted like that in any walk of life or profession people would call them a dick and that is why I called Van Persie a dick.

I don't hate him, I just think he is a dick. End of story. I dont wish he was injured, I would never sing the songs about him being a rapist, I just think he handled the whole situation very wrong showed people no respect and has no class in his actions, which makes him a dick in my book :-)

I'm intrigued to how you will read this post and how you reply? I'm actually finding it funny how you miss the points we are saying.

 

[Damjan]

I was also thinking about Roy Keane when reading that.
But then again...even when i was a Man Utd fan i never saw what was special about Roy Keane...
Before Keane Man Utd's leader was the great Eric Cantona...enough said, no ?


Edit: i'm not an Adebayor fan (for Spurs he is a disgrace except one or two matches a season), but could that celebration not have some relation with the way some Arsenal 'fans' once treated Eboue ? At that match Adebayor had the guts and the grace to care openly for his teammate...i really liked that gesture. He may be a lazy player, but then and there he proved that he is a decent human being...

That match is still a black page in Arsenal's history and is proof that fans don't care about players...if a player is not good enough in their eyes, he can't be offloaded quick enough (read this thread about Aron Ramsey, Van Persie, Walcott and others).

To be fair things like that happen at every club. I listen to a Spurs podcast,boy the way they offload players...one day Eriksen was the best AMF in the world, now he isn't good enough...

As far as I know Eboué is (still) loved amongst most Arsenal fans.

 

[BobbyBox]

You can say it about anything though. If Van Persie was rubbish nothing would be said of course, but he would still get paid lots of money by the club amd have a contract he can stay on, so it isn't really disrespectful if the club move him on, it's not as if he was getting abused by the club?

The equivalent of what Van Persie did, would be if Van Persie was rubbish, the club saying 'we sold Van Persie because he was rubbish' and then whenever his team did rubbish Arsene Wenger ringing him up and reminding him how shit he is (maybe I took that too far ) but it's just to highlight even if a player is rubbish, they are usually shown respect by the club when they leave.

Eboue was bad, but I think just as much attention should be put onto how he was eventually treated in the end. I really dont agree with the booing, but it wasn't just because he was no good, he wasn't trying and he was diving and trying to cheat, out of position all the time etc and was costing the team. When he started showing the right attitude and commitment, even though still not being the best player, fans respected him and he has cult status with the club now.

We have had lots of rubbish players, but it is rare for a player to get that sort of abuse only because they are not a very good player.

 

[Rantboy]

"Come see Eboue, you've only come to see Eboue, come to see Eboueeeee" - that chant always cracked me up

No, Adebayor didn't do that celebration because of Eboue. He did it because he is stupid enough to get down to the level of fans who criticized him when he left, and he thought it was a good idea to reply to those fans doing that celebration. He's an idiot of the highest order.

Then again, so are many fans. After the winding up incident by Adebayor I've heard about fans chanting toward him songs about the machine gun attack in the African Cup - that was the sickest thing I've heard, if true.

I have to admit many Arsenal fans have this disgusting trait of abusing and booing their own players. Seen it happen to Eboue, Arshavin, even Ramsey. They shouldn't have done that, not while the team is playing at least. When the team plays you support.

I'm sorry but why are we talking about that despicable twat Roy Keane in this sacred thread?

 

[AK.Rabona]

Well, in Arsenal and Wenger's defence Van Persie was a lost cause for many. He was an always-injured but Wenger hung on to him and kept faith.

 

[bebo]

Who can forget RVP horse placenta treatment inside a cave near Bin Laden . He was injured like Rosicky n Diaby was for years playing 10 games a season. Then, he had 1 good half season and completed 1 full season . Then , Off to the Mutd muppets n won the league:p

 

[dplane]

Who can forget RVP horse placenta treatment inside a cave near Bin Laden . He was injured like Rosicky n Diaby was for years playing 10 games a season. Then, he had 1 good half season and completed 1 full season . Then , Off to the Mutd muppets n won the league:p

Yet he still managed to play in almost 200 games and score a 100 or so goals for ya. Pretty impressive for a season and a half.

 

[bebo]

He was fabulous for us when he wasn't on the sick note . I remember, Mutd supporter posting RVP gifs of his misfire kicks n falling nearly injuring himself for a laugh n calling him baby angles n such. Now, some Mutd want us to love him like if he was Ronaldo. Mutd fans want Ronaldo back even in stitches .We at Arsenal won't ever want that germ infested foul mouth Dutch at the Arsenal again, not even for a pit stop.

I don't hate Mutd, but I would like to see us finish above them. Liverpool should finish on top of them too! Not to provoke a thread war just my thoughts on the moment.

 

[Aboutreika18]

Be careful what you wish for.