eFootball (All Platforms)

[Jay-Jay 10]

For me there is zero immersion in playing a game like FC 26 with its gameplay, and it is the only alternative.

Well that is where we differ: efootball can have the best football gameplay that ever was created: as long as I can't take my favourite team, win multiple titles and leagues with it, build up youth players, do transfers, rethink my long term team etc. I have 0 interest in playing it because to me just playing kick off is boring and I don't care for Online modes.

And as long as Konami cares 0 about the player base that once made them successful and gets licenses just to half assed implement them, I see no reason to support efootball.

 

[hitmanuk]

I think there's only a few including me who thinks pes 21 gameplay modded is miles better than Efootball.

 

[Energia]

I think there's only a few including me who thinks pes 21 gameplay modded is miles better than Efootball.

most here are on consoles... so for them no other alternative about pes2021 original gameplay

 

[Sany023]

I think there's only a few including me who thinks pes 21 gameplay modded is miles better than Efootball.

That's exactly correct.

I'm surprised people think efootball2026 is so bad. I understand people are toe-curlingly pissed off about the modes etc., but gameplay wise, I think it's the best it's ever been. Still the best representation of football we have in a videogame, to date. Every update for the last year or so has been positive, making the gameplay even better, and increasing animations etc. I'm currently downloading the new update which just hit steam, so that'll be interesting - something I still look forward to. Still hoping that there is a bigger improvement over graphics, turf etc. + more offline modes/content.

Because it's very simple - script-powered actions against nature of real true soccer.
I have many recorded moments, where ball moves on completely weird trajectory, in eFootball - there's no any physics, it's pre-determined scripted movings of ball, clearly seen by eyes if you want to note this.

P.S. May be your message was written for fun or whatever, I don't know exactly.
But honestly - it's very strange to call eFootball a representative soccer game with good stuff inside.
Nothing private or insulting, but for me it's strange ...

 

[seppovich]

For one moment i thought i was in the Fifa forum. ;-)

 

[Bing Bing Wahoo]

In terms of content and database, they got the biggest amount of clubs i saw in a football game, Nations + Clubs even with Bundesliga.
And correct me if i'm wrong but i remember them having /licensed or not/ the more stadiums they never have.

Nah, EA FC 26 has a lot more club teams.

In terms of stadiums, the game has around 31 stadiums right now, which is a lot less than in previous PES games:

Spoiler: Stadiums

Thread 'History of PES Stadiums'

17 September 2014

History of PES Stadiums
last updated with eFootball 2022 (1.0.1)

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Goal Storm / Winning Eleven
(Released: 1996)
(Total: 1)
First game on PS1 only featured one stadium, with soft, normal and hard pitch surface.
Previously ISS started on SNES in 1994 & 1995 and afterwards emerged as a FIFA rival.
Also, J.League Jikkyou Winning Eleven came out in 1995 prior to this for Japan only.
It had the same single stadium as Goal Storm one year...​

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[Joga]

Because it's very simple - script-powered actions against nature of real true soccer.
I have many recorded moments, where ball moves on completely weird trajectory, in eFootball - there's no any physics, it's pre-determined scripted movings of ball, clearly seen by eyes if you want to note this.

P.S. May be your message was written for fun or whatever, I don't know exactly.
But honestly - it's very strange to call eFootball a representative soccer game with good stuff inside.
Nothing private or insulting, but for me it's strange ...

Don't worry bro, that aussiepesguy has been writing the same thing in this topic for 3 years now.
It has become stockholm syndrome for some. If you starve them, they will jump for even the smallest dangling carrot.

No offence to anyone, but the writing was on the wall 3 years ago.
Many people voiced their concerns, only to be met with ridicule & gaslighting.
We told you it was a mobile game, we told you they are going to focus on cards..
"stop being negative!" "you people will complain about anything!" "go touch grass!"

 

[Colon]

Whole package wise, I still think pes2021 is the best in the series... still playing it today with Holland's latest GP patch, and oh my, is it still brilliant game. Holland's GP basically puts the gameplay, particularly variations with animations, cpu attack, cpu mistakes etc. on steroids. There is stuff i'm seeing in this game, today, which I never saw over the last 5 years playing the vanilla version. So, with the modes, mods etc, Im still playing this regularly.
But... when I play exhibition games on efootball2026, there are things in the gameplay that just make it more realistic and less on rails than pes2021. Player dribbling, responsiveness, ball physics (particularly in terms of weight and speed through the air) is just more realistic. Yeah Konami have taken the piss, but they have produced brilliant gameplay - which is the most important aspect of a football game. Anyways each to their own. Some people like Trump, some don't lol. Will never convince anybody to believe or like anything.

This is a very simplified view. In my opinion the most important thing should be that we as Customers and Fans get treated with respect. And we should not just accept everything, only because there are only so few optional. Gameplay wise PES 21 is probably still on par. So why not rather play that Game?

Konami could have been honest from the start about going free2play. But, again, They made money with PES21 because thanks to Konamis lies, many thought, there will be a REAL Next Gen Game. I doubt that many people would have bought a Game, that is very similar to PES 20, if they would have known Konamis Plans.

Usually I would say, that you can do whatever you want with your own Money and time. But to be honest this uncritical way of thinking (and the gameplay is not even as good as you claim) is bad for all of us. And I am Talking about anyone, who buys EA FC, NBA 2k etc. every year.

 

[sleevel]

I'm surprised people think efootball2026 is so bad. I understand people are toe-curlingly pissed off about the modes etc., but gameplay wise, I think it's the best it's ever been. Still the best representation of football we have in a videogame, to date. Every update for the last year or so has been positive, making the gameplay even better, and increasing animations etc. I'm currently downloading the new update which just hit steam, so that'll be interesting - something I still look forward to. Still hoping that there is a bigger improvement over graphics, turf etc. + more offline modes/content.

I agree that the gameplay really isn’t that bad. It has a solid identity of arcade football. The ball zips and you can put in bangers. It’s consistent to that identity.

If it had the offline content of PES2021, I think this would be a very different discussion.

 

[FShas]

I agree with the lack of ball physics.

I'd go so far as to say I suspect there are absolutely no ball physics whatsoever in this game. That what we are seeing are animations ie an animated ball that simply responds to kicking animations.

In terms of calculated, independent ball physics, there are none that are perceptible.

You know exactly how the ball will travel and react almost every time you kick it.

 

[Energia]

I agree with the lack of ball physics.

I'd go so far as to say I suspect there are absolutely no ball physics whatsoever in this game. That what we are seeing are animations ie an animated ball that simply responds to kicking animations.

In terms of calculated, independent ball physics, there are none that are perceptible.

You know exactly how the ball will travel and react almost every time you kick it.

it's the magic 😏 of unreal engine for crossover with online of a cellphones game

 

[subtra3t]

I agree with the lack of ball physics.

I'd go so far as to say I suspect there are absolutely no ball physics whatsoever in this game. That what we are seeing are animations ie an animated ball that simply responds to kicking animations.

In terms of calculated, independent ball physics, there are none that are perceptible.

You know exactly how the ball will travel and react almost every time you kick it.

I'm not sure if that second paragraph is ragebait or not. In my opinion eFootball 26 has better ball physics than every PES game except 19, I think it's one of its strongest suits. The ball's speed is perfect almost always, it curves just right too.

 

[Jay-Jay 10]

It actually is also suffering from laserguided passes and nearly no pass errors. Played some passes today that never should be so precise and go so fast to a player.

It is what annoys me the most compared to older games where the ball feels way more loose.

It is too bad since the attacking AI does actually have some nice patterns how they play, but you can't look around even weak teams having way too high pass percentages.

 

[FShas]

I'm not sure if that second paragraph is ragebait or not. In my opinion eFootball 26 has better ball physics than every PES game except 19, I think it's one of its strongest suits. The ball's speed is perfect almost always, it curves just right too.

I've been on this forum on and off for over 20 years and have never posted ragebait, or at least never intentionally.

I wish pes had proper ball physics. I've quite liked efootball at times. But I don't think efootball has at any time had actual ball physics. It has an animated ball that masquerades as ball physics.

Watch the ball spin and curve. It never corresponds with any form of actual physics. Im not sure this view is even controversial...

 

[sleevel]

I’ve been playing Pro camera with FUMA. No laser guiding there and ball physics seem quite accurate. Even the “definitive” (RT) passes and shots follow physics. Yes, they are quite powerful but a real player can absolutely belt a ball with great accuracy (if they are not under pressure).

Although I can only see one or two players because of the camera, I can make very accurate passes to them. Seeing the player start to see a run into space and slotting the ball just between the two defenders is very satisfying.

Hate eFootball for the lack of offline modes, the coins and popups, the eSports - completely justified. But the gameplay isn’t bad. The introduction of FIFA style shielding and jockeying is very well done. In my opinion, one of PES 2021’s greatest flaws is defending. “Real” defending is primarily about containment, which eFootball did well.

 

[subtra3t]

It actually is also suffering from laserguided passes and nearly no pass errors. Played some passes today that never should be so precise and go so fast to a player.

It is what annoys me the most compared to older games where the ball feels way more loose.

It is too bad since the attacking AI does actually have some nice patterns how they play, but you can't look around even weak teams having way too high pass percentages.

Yep, I agree with you there. Even players with 60 passing can pull off cross field lobbed passes under pressure, it's ridiculous.

 

[subtra3t]

I've been on this forum on and off for over 20 years and have never posted ragebait, or at least never intentionally.

I wish pes had proper ball physics. I've quite liked efootball at times. But I don't think efootball has at any time had actual ball physics. It has an animated ball that masquerades as ball physics.

Watch the ball spin and curve. It never corresponds with any form of actual physics. Im not sure this view is even controversial...

I'm curious as to which games you thought had the best ball physics? Maybe the mid-to-late 2010s FIFA games?

 

[Energia]

It has become stockholm syndrome for some. If you starve them, they will jump for even the smallest dangling carrot.

A phrase worth framing... That's exactly what happens to those I see praising eFootball, telling themselves that it has better ball and players physics than PES 2021 with the Fox Engine. They don't technically know that the Unreal Engine was chosen for a cellphones game and its easy crossover with other platforms. Engine (the unreal) not specific for football game as fox engine developed by konami was, ma it's an enging for generic use for multiple games and easy multiplatform crossover...

 

[FShas]

I'm curious as to which games you thought had the best ball physics? Maybe the mid-to-late 2010s FIFA games?

Sure...and to be clear, not looking to undermine anyone's enjoyment...I just find it really frustrating because if efootball had proper ball physics, I could play it regularly...


I agree. Mid to late fifa games had good physics. 14 to 17. At 18, EA started placing passes on rails with the later patches.

Pes 14 leaked demo, they had genuine ball physics, but they were severely underdeveloped.

Pes 11 maybe?

Honestly though...it feels like from pes 15 onwards Konami moved to a less physics driven ball and one that felt animated and I speak as someone who lived pes 17.

It feels like only EA really ever invested in proper physics driven ball behaviour, but they have started row back on that too so they can keep everything under control for the online crowd.

Fifa 20 had surprisingly good ball physics too during it's mid-cycle phase of patches.

Interestly, when Konami had proper ball physics, the players on the pitch couldn't really handle it so it seems genuine ball physics and animations are difficult to tie together.

(Best ball physics ive encountered are actually in a tennis game, Full Ace Tennis. Made by one man and the ball can literally go anywhere at all. The physics and players distance from the ball and space in which to swing the racket determine entirely where the ball goes, whether that is into the net, one yard ahead of you or 20 feet into the air and behind you! Football games are complex, but we should be there by now...)

 

[FShas]

It actually is also suffering from laserguided passes and nearly no pass errors. Played some passes today that never should be so precise and go so fast to a player.

It is what annoys me the most compared to older games where the ball feels way more loose.

It is too bad since the attacking AI does actually have some nice patterns how they play, but you can't look around even weak teams having way too high pass percentages.

I get around this by playing on full manual.

To be fair to Konami, short passing feels pretty good on full manual. Problem is: 1. Full manual is artificial and a level of difficulty at odds with the sport and 2. The shooting physics remain limited so it becomes a game about the middle two thirds but never the final third where it feels archaic and arthritic.

 

[stvedran]

For the first time in 30 years I'm enjoying EA's football game more than Konami's. I thought this could never happen. I'm aware of its flaws, but presentation is really nice, slower pace, passing on manual has more freedom. Compared to it, efootball even on manual feels... on rails?... predetermined?...I don't know, I'm just not enjoying it.

 

[subtra3t]

Sure...and to be clear, not looking to undermine anyone's enjoyment...I just find it really frustrating because if efootball had proper ball physics, I could play it regularly...


I agree. Mid to late fifa games had good physics. 14 to 17. At 18, EA started placing passes on rails with the later patches.

Pes 14 leaked demo, they had genuine ball physics, but they were severely underdeveloped.

Pes 11 maybe?

Honestly though...it feels like from pes 15 onwards Konami moved to a less physics driven ball and one that felt animated and I speak as someone who lived pes 17.

It feels like only EA really ever invested in proper physics driven ball behaviour, but they have started row back on that too so they can keep everything under control for the online crowd.

Fifa 20 had surprisingly good ball physics too during it's mid-cycle phase of patches.

Interestly, when Konami had proper ball physics, the players on the pitch couldn't really handle it so it seems genuine ball physics and animations are difficult to tie together.

(Best ball physics ive encountered are actually in a tennis game, Full Ace Tennis. Made by one man and the ball can literally go anywhere at all. The physics and players distance from the ball and space in which to swing the racket determine entirely where the ball goes, whether that is into the net, one yard ahead of you or 20 feet into the air and behind you! Football games are complex, but we should be there by now...)

Yep, I agree that FIFA 13-16 had amazing ball physics (I loved 17 but not its ball physics).

My favourite PES game (and football game in general) is PES 17 but yeah its ball physics is too arcade like. I felt like older PES games also had pretty awful ball physics though, the ball always felt a bit glued to the player.

I've never had the pleasure of playing the leaked PES 14 demo. Could you be referring to this? Also, what do you think of the full game? I've heard conflicting opinions, some people say it's the worst PES ever and some praise it as the most realistic.

Thank you for writing the detailed response.

 

[FShas]

Yep, I agree that FIFA 13-16 had amazing ball physics (I loved 17 but not its ball physics).

My favourite PES game (and football game in general) is PES 17 but yeah its ball physics is too arcade like. I felt like older PES games also had pretty awful ball physics though, the ball always felt a bit glued to the player.

I've never had the pleasure of playing the leaked PES 14 demo. Could you be referring to this? Also, what do you think of the full game? I've heard conflicting opinions, some people say it's the worst PES ever and some praise it as the most realistic.

Thank you for writing the detailed response.

Agreed on all points!! Pes 17 gave me so much emotion but yeah the ball physics felt arcadey at times.

Similar feelings on fifa 17 too! Liked the game a lot, just not the ball physics.

Thinking back...favourite ball physics may pes 10 but on ps2. They were great. Pes 15 on ps3 also had great ball physics.

The leaked demo was removed forever i think. Im lucky enough to have in on my ps3 somewhere.

I would recommend the blue samurai version of pes 14. I haven't played it myself but videos show a far more refined game and people at the time were very happy about it.

Shame about efootball is that the ball physics 'look' really good a lot of the time. It feels, to me, like amazing mimicry. It's such a shame they won't actually add proper tech to the ball physics because they have the basis of a good game...

 

[Joga]

I've mentioned this before, but it isn't even just a problem with the ball physics. It's the RULES of the physics engine.

In the PS1-PS2 era games, EVERYTHING on the screen has a physical structure which abides by the engines rules.
You could slide or even STAND in front of a pass or shot & you could be sure, your defender's body would block the shot or atleast deflect it.
The rules of physics, in relation to the games engine are upheld.

In contrast, from PES 13 onwards, the animations can bend the rules as they please. Your defender being in the right position doesn't matter, because the game has already decided that that pass/shot must get past.

In the new gen games, (either 2020 or 2021 it was) in the REPLAY I have literally seen the ball go through the chest of the defender, and fly into the goal.
The rules of physics in these games are a lie. And this is all because of their casino online mode.

Anyone who has played competitive online PES knows how rigged it can be. You defend with all your heart, you cover the angles, you already KNOW what the guy is going to do. But the game says "it's not your time".. & the pass/shot magically happens anyway.
There is no "midfield battle" like the PES 1 - PES 6 are so famous for.
There is no steady build of momentum with controlled passing & possesion. The momentum is decided by the game engine.
If you buy the meta cards, you will have the momentum.

 

[aussiepesfan]

Don't worry bro, that aussiepesguy has been writing the same thing in this topic for 3 years now.

Thanks so much for comforting those who don't share similar opinions. So admirable. Like we are all so worried that people have held similar opinions for the last 3 or so years, different to our own.
Stockholm syndrome? Ridiculing and gaslighting? No offence? Says the guy who's clearly offended by other's opinions. Stop the victimhood mentality, with the dash of personal attacks. It's a videogame, with varying opinions. Grow up.

I think there's only a few including me who thinks pes 21 gameplay modded is miles better than Efootball.

I agree it's brilliant, and even today it's aged amazingly well. Better than eFootball in certain ways yes. Like variety. I still think eFootball does certain things better, like momentum whilst dribbling, ball physics (in the sense of ball speed through the air, particularly with shots on goal), and response time. All of this is subjective though, and im glad i have the best of both versions on a decent pc.

That's exactly correct.



Because it's very simple - script-powered actions against nature of real true soccer.
I have many recorded moments, where ball moves on completely weird trajectory, in eFootball - there's no any physics, it's pre-determined scripted movings of ball, clearly seen by eyes if you want to note this.

P.S. May be your message was written for fun or whatever, I don't know exactly.
But honestly - it's very strange to call eFootball a representative soccer game with good stuff inside.
Nothing private or insulting, but for me it's strange ...

Which version are you playing? Never seen weird ball physics on the steam/pc or ps5 versions of efootball2026.

This is a very simplified view. In my opinion the most important thing should be that we as Customers and Fans get treated with respect. And we should not just accept everything, only because there are only so few optional. Gameplay wise PES 21 is probably still on par. So why not rather play that Game?

Konami could have been honest from the start about going free2play. But, again, They made money with PES21 because thanks to Konamis lies, many thought, there will be a REAL Next Gen Game. I doubt that many people would have bought a Game, that is very similar to PES 20, if they would have known Konamis Plans.

Usually I would say, that you can do whatever you want with your own Money and time. But to be honest this uncritical way of thinking (and the gameplay is not even as good as you claim) is bad for all of us. And I am Talking about anyone, who buys EA FC, NBA 2k etc. every year.

Yes, simplified view. I agree. Most important thing is that Customers and Fans get treated with respect? I guess everyone would want that in an ideal world. Unfortunately, that's not the real world. Unfortunately, we do have to accept that fact. Agree, that PES21 is close to efootball in the gameplay department, hence I enjoy both games, and mix between the two.

I agree that the gameplay really isn’t that bad. It has a solid identity of arcade football. The ball zips and you can put in bangers. It’s consistent to that identity.

If it had the offline content of PES2021, I think this would be a very different discussion.

Solid identity of arcade football. Disagree. Think efootball2026 is more sim-like, when compared to games like EaFC26 - that looks and plays very arcade to me. I do agree the discussion would be very different comparing pes2021 and efootball26 if both had the same offline content. Efooball2026 needs a dlc with more offline modes, eg. ML, League mode, which i'd be more than happy to pay for.

 

[Colon]

Yes, simplified view. I agree. Most important thing is that Customers and Fans get treated with respect? I guess everyone would want that in an ideal world. Unfortunately, that's not the real world. Unfortunately, we do have to accept that fact. Agree, that PES21 is close to efootball in the gameplay department, hence I enjoy both games, and mix between the two.

That is not the real world? YOU (and every other gamer) decide if you want to spent money on or at least support this inferior product with downloading and playing it. I think nobody is holding you at gun point. I said before, I can‘t support a Company who lied to me. So guess what? I don‘t download and play efootball.
And I don‘t buy EA FC. I don‘t buy the new NBA 2k. Even though I would like to play a new, great Sports Game. But there are tons of old great games, I‘d rather play over and over again.

If you think, that the only option is, to just play and like whatever game those companies are giving us, you are very wrong. Sorry for the harsh words.

 

[aussiepesfan]

That is not the real world? YOU (and every other gamer) decide if you want to spent money on or at least support this inferior product with downloading and playing it. I think nobody is holding you at gun point. I said before, I can‘t support a Company who lied to me. So guess what? I don‘t download and play efootball.
And I don‘t buy EA FC. I don‘t buy the new NBA 2k. Even though I would like to play a new, great Sports Game. But there are tons of old great games, I‘d rather play over and over again.

If you think, that the only option is, to just play and like whatever game those companies are giving us, you are very wrong. Sorry for the harsh words.

I don't think anyone here thinks these companies like Konami or EA are the only options for videogaming. I certainly don't. People choose to play whatever they want. I play efootball 2021 and 2026 because I like the gameplay, despite the crappy things Konami do. I don't think your words were harsh, just the point you are trying to make is quite obvious. All good.👍

 

[Joga]

It's a videogame, with varying opinions. Grow up.

You know what's funny? You are in here defending this garbage from anyone & everyone, at EVERY opportunity you get.
& you are telling me, it's just a videogame, grow up?

And on that note, if it wasn't for this "videogame," that calmed me down when things were shyt.
Made me forget about the drama when it wasn't worth the stress.
When our racist 'vice-principle' expelled me 2 days before year 11 exams, (for breaking a chair mind you)
I could've resorted to many other things to get that anger out. But I thought, well now I've got HEAPS of time for PES!

You see for some people, it's not just a game. It's a piece of art.
For you it's just a videogame. Maybe it is you, who should grow up.

 

[Hayes]

All i see aussiepesfan just stating his own opinion & he's mainly talking about the gameplay. And i believe evoweb allow us to have different opinion good or bad (we're not living in CCP, lol)

The whole package & shady bussines of efootball i hate it, the crappy unmoddable unreal engine, i hate it. Konami took away what makes pes fun, the editing, the modding, all of it. But that doesn't mean he's not allowed saying good things to game he likes.

I just don't get it, everytime someone likes efootball gameplay they will be crucified, this goes the same when someone criticized old pes games, and they all come in groups. I just don't understand. To me all games whether it's old or new can be criticized fair and square.

The frustation should be aim to konami and konami only, not the one who likes playing the game.

 

[elloco]

I'm wondering why all three (Efootball, EAFC, and UFL) have the same strategy, Card gambling, and no deep gameplay.... Players running on rails and passes are on the rubber band. No one cares about variety and randomness. If I watch Twitch games, People do the same all the time... it's not about the game it's just about winning, dont matter how... Nobody plays that game for that "one More" Feeling. It's all about "in 2 games I've got a Free Spin for new bullshit players..."

It's embarrassing how football games are "played" these days... 90 minutes sprint button and through ball spamming... I'm too old for that shit