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FIFA World Cup Brasil 2014
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Chuny
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- 11 December 2007
Ernesto Lee
Mutant Atheist Player
Again, where are those smart-asses whom shouted this World Cup was bought for Brasil??
@Chuny
This is BRASIL, the best ever, 10x better to watch this team than the Scolari(urgh) WC 2002 one:
YouTube - Brazil 1982 - A tribute to the art of football
@Chuny
This is BRASIL, the best ever, 10x better to watch this team than the Scolari(urgh) WC 2002 one:
YouTube - Brazil 1982 - A tribute to the art of football
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Chuny
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- 11 December 2007
I know!
But I wasn't alive in 1982! I can only remember what I lived vivedly!
Plus... boy! Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Roberto Carlos... weren't they a joy to watch?!
But I wasn't alive in 1982! I can only remember what I lived vivedly!
Plus... boy! Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Roberto Carlos... weren't they a joy to watch?!
Chuny
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- 11 December 2007
Those Brazil squads didn't even need a great GK like Julio Cesar proved to be, or world-wide recognized centerbacks such a Thiago Silva and David Luiz. No... they did just fine without any of those.
ZeroTheHero
Banned
Because they absolutely haven't. Argentina hasn't kicked the legs off their opponents either, as Brazil has at least tried their best to for several matches.
@Ernesto Lee
Don't linger with the past, that's what Brazilians has accused Argentina for since 1986 or 1978 even. Accept the fact that Brazilian football is pathetic at the moment and the bright side about it is that something will definitely change in the wake of this humiliation. No more dirty football, no more hoofing and running and back to proper football.
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Ernesto Lee
Mutant Atheist Player
I agree, that was the perfect wake up call, too bad it had to happen cruelly in our soil.
Scolari was 100% responsible for the historical humiliation by thinking Brasil could equally face a far superior team.
Well, one thing is undeniable, this is the best World Cup ever!
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gerd
Retired Footballer
This is perhaps the best thing that ever happened to Brazilian football.
I hope they return to what they do best: playing football with technical skilopend players.
Someone here posted pictures of Rivaldo, Ronaldinho and others. Well even those team were a borrelflessen compared to the teams of 1982 and 1970.
Fred should not be a scapegoat. I feel sorry for him.
Scolari is to blame, what an asshole.
I hope they return to what they do best: playing football with technical skilopend players.
Someone here posted pictures of Rivaldo, Ronaldinho and others. Well even those team were a borrelflessen compared to the teams of 1982 and 1970.
Fred should not be a scapegoat. I feel sorry for him.
Scolari is to blame, what an asshole.
Rantboy
International
- 27 December 2002
- Fluminense FC / Arsenal
Well I said a couple of times here how poor this Brazil team is, and that it didn't have what it takes. Turns out I was right, but boy, who would have thought of such a score line!
Germany has a much better team no doubt, but what happened in the 2nd half is deeper than that. The Brazilian team was all over the place tactically, technically and emotionally.
Players like Marcelo were totally out of it, David Luiz thought he could bomb forward and right everybody's wrongs all by himself. But he was caught off position many times.
Psychologically this team didn't have the mental state of winners, neither the guts and coolness required to deal with difficult situations.
When we had players crying even before the spot kicks against Chile, it was written all over it - this team simply can't cope with the pressure of playing in home soil. Its leaders aren't up to the task, neither is Scolari.
We were bound to get found out by a no-nonsense team like Germany, so it happened. The exaggerated scoreline is mainly due to the team imploding like that in the 1st half. There were 4 goals in the space of 6 minutes! I couldn't believe my eyes.
This indicates the mental state of those players, if they can't regroup at 2-0, get their shit together and weather the storm.
It reminded me of Arsenal a lot! The hammerings at the hands of Liverpool and Chelsea to be more precise.
There is a common link between both cases, and one I can think of is the lack of proper leaders and a manager who took too long to react to stuff that was clearly wrong on the pitch.
Ending Fred's international career isn't going to solve all our problems. I see many fans bashing him, but he's just the Centre Forward who got zero service and couldn't do anything about the 7 goals. He is just a poor player at this level. He's the only one playing in the Brazilian league and the fact that he's great domestically just shows the gulf of quality between the Brazilian league and European leagues. In 94 and 2002 we had world class strikers like Romario, Bebeto, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, etc. This time around we didn't, and these times certainly aren't like the decades (1950-80) when Brazil had World Cup winning teams with domestic players.
This generation is quite poor (Neymar aside) and this is one of the reasons this team failed. Still, many other things will have to change, from managers to chairmen.
Brazilian football and CBF will have to change and bring new passionate people with fresh ideas. A real kick up the arse was needed, and I think that's where this 7-1 battering fits in.
Anyway, the Germans just came to play their football and did it with terrifying efficiency. Congrats to them and I kind of hope they win this thing.
If Holland goes through and plays a great final in a fair spirit, I would be cool with them winning too (for all the history, all the finals they've been to without actually winning it).
Germany has a much better team no doubt, but what happened in the 2nd half is deeper than that. The Brazilian team was all over the place tactically, technically and emotionally.
Players like Marcelo were totally out of it, David Luiz thought he could bomb forward and right everybody's wrongs all by himself. But he was caught off position many times.
Psychologically this team didn't have the mental state of winners, neither the guts and coolness required to deal with difficult situations.
When we had players crying even before the spot kicks against Chile, it was written all over it - this team simply can't cope with the pressure of playing in home soil. Its leaders aren't up to the task, neither is Scolari.
We were bound to get found out by a no-nonsense team like Germany, so it happened. The exaggerated scoreline is mainly due to the team imploding like that in the 1st half. There were 4 goals in the space of 6 minutes! I couldn't believe my eyes.
This indicates the mental state of those players, if they can't regroup at 2-0, get their shit together and weather the storm.
It reminded me of Arsenal a lot! The hammerings at the hands of Liverpool and Chelsea to be more precise.
There is a common link between both cases, and one I can think of is the lack of proper leaders and a manager who took too long to react to stuff that was clearly wrong on the pitch.
Ending Fred's international career isn't going to solve all our problems. I see many fans bashing him, but he's just the Centre Forward who got zero service and couldn't do anything about the 7 goals. He is just a poor player at this level. He's the only one playing in the Brazilian league and the fact that he's great domestically just shows the gulf of quality between the Brazilian league and European leagues. In 94 and 2002 we had world class strikers like Romario, Bebeto, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, etc. This time around we didn't, and these times certainly aren't like the decades (1950-80) when Brazil had World Cup winning teams with domestic players.
This generation is quite poor (Neymar aside) and this is one of the reasons this team failed. Still, many other things will have to change, from managers to chairmen.
Brazilian football and CBF will have to change and bring new passionate people with fresh ideas. A real kick up the arse was needed, and I think that's where this 7-1 battering fits in.
Anyway, the Germans just came to play their football and did it with terrifying efficiency. Congrats to them and I kind of hope they win this thing.
If Holland goes through and plays a great final in a fair spirit, I would be cool with them winning too (for all the history, all the finals they've been to without actually winning it).
we7god
Kreisklassen-Profi
CSI Belo Horizonte: File Brazil = Klosed 
gerd
Retired Footballer
Rentboy, the pressure on the team was waaaaay too big.
Brazilian authorities use football to keep people calm who are otherwise treated very unfairly. At the same time these players are also victims.
I came to dislike David Luiz enormously during this WC. What an overrated asshole...
The worst player on the pitch was off by halftime however, i came to realise that despite all their money Man City will never win the CL as long as this guy is a one of their key players, and in the EPL he was...
Brazilian authorities use football to keep people calm who are otherwise treated very unfairly. At the same time these players are also victims.
I came to dislike David Luiz enormously during this WC. What an overrated asshole...
The worst player on the pitch was off by halftime however, i came to realise that despite all their money Man City will never win the CL as long as this guy is a one of their key players, and in the EPL he was...
ss4_goku
Premier League
It's just horrible and sad to see the whole team collapse after playing nicely in the initial 10 minutes. The defense had no leader, the midfield didn't know what to do, the forwards had no service...it was just a horrible team and like what others said, it was just a matter of time they'd be destroyed. I guess its good that it happened without Neymar on the team so he'd not be as psychologically affected and hopefully it won't stunt his growth cause the team still needs him in the future.
Hopefully this will finally be the last of the "ugly" game played by the Brazil of late where it only matters that the team wins and not how they play. I truely wish that the team will bring back beautiful football with emphasis on attack and attack with flair. It doesn't even have to be the 1982 flair, but a step towards that direction is already great for the whole country.
Hopefully this will finally be the last of the "ugly" game played by the Brazil of late where it only matters that the team wins and not how they play. I truely wish that the team will bring back beautiful football with emphasis on attack and attack with flair. It doesn't even have to be the 1982 flair, but a step towards that direction is already great for the whole country.
ZeroTheHero
Banned
I watched the first 35 minutes of the match again and I can say with certainty that there are four players who is more responsible for this loss than any other;
Marcelo starts off by bombing forward and making horrible passing mistakes which leaves Dante alone with two-three Germans. Fernandinho and Luiz Gustavo is not properly covering above all not getting close to the German players in possession. David Luiz is also bombing forward, sometimes at the same time Marcelo does which leaves Dante even more alone and the midfield is still not doing anything sensible.
Dante, Maicon and Julio Cesar should be excused entirely for this loss because there are no "right choices" left for them against an overwhelming amount of space left behind by the four mentioned players. No matter what they did, who'd they mark or where they'd stay the Germans had three other passing alternatives. It was painful to watch the second time, the first time I was just shocked and couldn't stop laughing somewhat maniacly. Fred is mentioned as scapegoat several times, but his team mates didn't exactly try to play him good either. A striker without service will always look poor, he's hardly had service this entire WC. Fred's a good striker but the wrong tactical choice for this particular team but so would any other choice as it turns out.
I think Paulinho, Neymar and Oscar should be redeemed as well in this WC. Paulinho for never giving up and for trying to cover the fact that Brazil didn't really have a play of their own. Neymar for being quite good in a shit team and likewise Oscar.
So these four players wasn't able to do the most basic parts of their positional play the entire time they spent on the pitch. I'm sure they meant well but they forgot that football is a team game.
Marcelo -> shame on you, tactically and defensively inept.
David Luiz -> shame on you, you can't play 2-5-3 against Germany. 4 goals is on you.
Luiz Gustavo -> shame on you, watch and learn from Cambiasso defensively.
Fernandinho -> shame on you, go watch Cambiasso as well.
These four players particularly made Germany look fantastic yesterday, but in reality it was Brazil that was utter shit on an epic scale never, ever seen before in a WC semifinal or in sports at all actually. Belo Horizonte means "Beautiful Horizon" and the irony is that following this the horizon is probably where Brazil should look. Things can only get better from here, this is rock bottom.
Marcelo starts off by bombing forward and making horrible passing mistakes which leaves Dante alone with two-three Germans. Fernandinho and Luiz Gustavo is not properly covering above all not getting close to the German players in possession. David Luiz is also bombing forward, sometimes at the same time Marcelo does which leaves Dante even more alone and the midfield is still not doing anything sensible.
Dante, Maicon and Julio Cesar should be excused entirely for this loss because there are no "right choices" left for them against an overwhelming amount of space left behind by the four mentioned players. No matter what they did, who'd they mark or where they'd stay the Germans had three other passing alternatives. It was painful to watch the second time, the first time I was just shocked and couldn't stop laughing somewhat maniacly. Fred is mentioned as scapegoat several times, but his team mates didn't exactly try to play him good either. A striker without service will always look poor, he's hardly had service this entire WC. Fred's a good striker but the wrong tactical choice for this particular team but so would any other choice as it turns out.
I think Paulinho, Neymar and Oscar should be redeemed as well in this WC. Paulinho for never giving up and for trying to cover the fact that Brazil didn't really have a play of their own. Neymar for being quite good in a shit team and likewise Oscar.
So these four players wasn't able to do the most basic parts of their positional play the entire time they spent on the pitch. I'm sure they meant well but they forgot that football is a team game.
Marcelo -> shame on you, tactically and defensively inept.
David Luiz -> shame on you, you can't play 2-5-3 against Germany. 4 goals is on you.
Luiz Gustavo -> shame on you, watch and learn from Cambiasso defensively.
Fernandinho -> shame on you, go watch Cambiasso as well.
These four players particularly made Germany look fantastic yesterday, but in reality it was Brazil that was utter shit on an epic scale never, ever seen before in a WC semifinal or in sports at all actually. Belo Horizonte means "Beautiful Horizon" and the irony is that following this the horizon is probably where Brazil should look. Things can only get better from here, this is rock bottom.
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we7god
Kreisklassen-Profi
From historical point of view and "the law of series" normally only Germany could be the winnder of this years World Cup.
Brazil got the third title in 1970 and the fourth in 1994 (24 years later)
Italy got the third title in 1982 and the fourth in 2006 (24 years later)
Germany got the third title 1990 and right now it is 24 years later and they are in the final again...
This can not be just a coincidence...
Brazil got the third title in 1970 and the fourth in 1994 (24 years later)
Italy got the third title in 1982 and the fourth in 2006 (24 years later)
Germany got the third title 1990 and right now it is 24 years later and they are in the final again...
This can not be just a coincidence...
Kanouté
#NewEra
- 26 April 2008
lucio and sao marcos were both underrated/great players. and they had gilberto silva too.
amineken22
*****
- 9 November 2010
From historical point of view and "the law of series" normally only Germany could be the winnder of this years World Cup.
Brazil got the third title in 1970 and the fourth in 1994 (24 years later)
Italy got the third title in 1982 and the fourth in 2006 (24 years later)
Germany got the third title 1990 and right now it is 24 years later and they are in the final again...
This can not be just a coincidence...
Or Argentina/Netherlands could just get their revenge. I'd like to see 1990's final again.
we7god
Kreisklassen-Profi
1990 was OUR revenge against Argentina, you know...
In the end it will be 50:50 match in the final I guess, not matter if it will be against Netherlands or Argentina.
I am really looking forward to it.
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gerd
Retired Footballer
Holland -Argentina was the 1978 final...
ZeroTheHero
Banned
1990 was OUR revenge against Argentina, you know...
Courtesy of the referee.
amineken22
*****
- 9 November 2010
we7god
Kreisklassen-Profi
Was it? For some reason I though Cruyff lost to the Germans
That was in 1974 I think...
we7god
Kreisklassen-Profi
After he did not whistle the foul comitted by Goycoechea against Augenthaler in the box before. The red card against Monzon has hard, but ok, because it was a rude tackle. Dezotti was stupid and deserved the red card for sure, but this did not change anything 3 minutes before end of the match.
In the end it was a weak final, because agrentina's tactic was just to avoid german goals and hope for penalty shootout and Goycoechea with his penalty saving skills.
Stats showed 23:1 shots in advance for Germany - the victory was deserved, but nevertheless the final was not really a good match - too onesided imo.
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ZeroTheHero
Banned
22 long shots really. Besides, it wasn't a penalty and the first red card was a joke. I didn't say that Argentina was any good, I just pointed out that Germany needed a lot of help from the ref to get anything from the match which makes them equally bad imo. It was a scandal final that should've been erased from history.
we7god
Kreisklassen-Profi
There were some good chances and also shots which were dangerous and could heve been in, if there wasn't Goycoechea. The foul leading to the penalty was not a clear one, I agree, but Argentina was lucky that Germany got no penalty after Goycoechea fouled Augenthaler clearly.
I disagree that Germany was equally bad as Argentina. Germany tried to win, Argentina did nothing. So victory was deserved after all!
Nevertheless the match was still a bad one.
Monzon tackle was rude - at least a very dark yellow card. I just mentioned that red was harsh. Monzon's right leg was fully stretched, 30 cm high hitting klinsis leg with the studs - sorry, but this was a rude foul and the booking no joke at all.
I disagree that Germany was equally bad as Argentina. Germany tried to win, Argentina did nothing. So victory was deserved after all!
Nevertheless the match was still a bad one.
Monzon tackle was rude - at least a very dark yellow card. I just mentioned that red was harsh. Monzon's right leg was fully stretched, 30 cm high hitting klinsis leg with the studs - sorry, but this was a rude foul and the booking no joke at all.
E.C.O.+
Banned
FIFA is against Racism, but is not against corruption and vicious results...
Keep that clear...
They can banned Turkey teams from UEFA Competicions, but for World Cup they are paid to get the mouth shut.
Spain win 2 Europe cups and win one world cup, and this year was raped with no reason at all...
What about Portugal and now Brasil not playing 100%?
What about Neymar injury?
Germany paid to that player from Colômbia, only to get the defence weak yesterday?
Sherlock Holmes knows everything...
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PIPA23
retired :)
- 21 June 2007
Coutinho, Miranda, Felipe Luis, Rafael...all should and deserved to be in the squad for World cup...Also Lucas Leiva imo has more leadership quality than Paulinho and Luiz Gustavo combined.
FIFA is against Racism, but is not against corruption and vicious results...
Keep that clear...
They can banned Turkey teams from UEFA Competicions, but for World Cup they are paid to get the mouth shut.
Spain win 2 Europe cups and win one world cup, and this year was raped with no reason at all...
What about Portugal and now Brasil not playing 100%?
What about Neymar injury?
Germany paid to that player from Colômbia, only to get the defence weak yesterday?
Sherlock Holmes knows everything...
Oh, it's this guy again!
E.C.O.+
Banned
PIPA23
retired :)
- 21 June 2007
also i wouldn´t blame players from Brazil but the coach.. EVERY coach need to pick up the BEST FFS. Miranda not picked? and those i mentioned above..??? with one of their key players out - Thiago Silva..the whole team break apart...Luiz is quality player, but sometimes he makes to costly mistakes...his none-existing marking of Mueller was the start of the end for them...
Luiz then watned to fix this error and made 3-4 more...the team without Silva is clueless, Neymar or no Neymar... Silva is the key for them and there should have been also a plan B with other quality LEADERS in defence like Dede or Miranda...
Brazil played without a leader and also Scolari is out of his mind to select that team...in no single match i felt Brazil deserved to win...
I feel so sorry for Chile, they should be playing Germany and imo they would give them a much better match.
There must be something wrong with Brazil football if their CF is Fred and goals come from set pieces or corners mostly.
this should have been the team for world cup for Brazil if they wanted to win it.
----------------- Júlio César --------------
Rafael -- T. Silva (C) -- Miranda -- F. Luis
------------- D. Luiz --- Ramires -----------
Hulk --------------- Oscar --------- Coutinho
-------------------- Neymar -----------------
Subs: Marcelo, Willian, Fernandinho, Lucas Moura, Alves
Luiz then watned to fix this error and made 3-4 more...the team without Silva is clueless, Neymar or no Neymar... Silva is the key for them and there should have been also a plan B with other quality LEADERS in defence like Dede or Miranda...
Brazil played without a leader and also Scolari is out of his mind to select that team...in no single match i felt Brazil deserved to win...
I feel so sorry for Chile, they should be playing Germany and imo they would give them a much better match.
There must be something wrong with Brazil football if their CF is Fred and goals come from set pieces or corners mostly.
this should have been the team for world cup for Brazil if they wanted to win it.
----------------- Júlio César --------------
Rafael -- T. Silva (C) -- Miranda -- F. Luis
------------- D. Luiz --- Ramires -----------
Hulk --------------- Oscar --------- Coutinho
-------------------- Neymar -----------------
Subs: Marcelo, Willian, Fernandinho, Lucas Moura, Alves
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ZeroTheHero
Banned
I haven't watched the game since 1990 but I think I remember WG being lucky not to have a player sent off earlier in the match, wasn't it Brehme?
No matter, Argentina fought the referee's for the entire tournament and Maradona was the most fouled player in the history of a single WC in that tournament. Maradona and Caniggia were tackled out of their boots every single match, yet there weren't many red cards. There should've been several each match.