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FIFA World Cup Brasil 2014

A: Brasil, Mexico
B: Spain, Chile
C: Colombia, Greece
D: Uruguay, Italy
G: Switzerland, France
E: Argentina, Bosnia
F: Germany, USA
G: Belgium, Korea

Winner: Germany

I know no European team had won WC in South America yet but statistics are just statistics, its time for Germany now, the different climate wont matter either, hell most of the South American top players play in Europe so...everyone will be equally tired. I would rather say Spain but looking at Barca's form nowdays...they still have time to get themself back together till summer tho. But look at Dortmund, Bayern, Özil, Khedira, or the form of the whole Bundesliga, Germany is rising, last year the CL and you will see this year the WC, their youth team is now there not just in skills but even in head, in that age to seize the chance.


btw

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I´m happy , I will go to all matches in Rio, watching the draw was such a thrill! Too bad Holland didn´t take the B3 position! Lucky people in Salvador
 
Re: Road to the World Cup Brazil 2014

gerd said:
It's crystal clear that Brazil will have to go at least as far as the semi-finales no matter how good or bad they will be...
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You don't understand. If Brazil get eliminated on the semi-finals the players will be lynched on the street.
Brazilian players don't have the right to loose this time. Brazilian people deserve this, and we've been wait for this for too long now.
In 2010 we had one of the worst teams ever in a WC, in 2006 the players were kidding in Germany on their summer vacation, now it's different. Stupid guys like Ronaldo or Adriano are not playing anymore, now we have a team committed to win.

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"If Brazil get eliminated on the semi-finals the players will be lynched on the street".
That's a figure os speech, maybe this sounds wrong in English. :P
 
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and who will get the team to the final?


the kids like Neymar, Oscar, Willian?
the overrated Hulk who plays for money in Russia?


Luis Gustavo, Daniel Alves, Ramires, Dante, David Luiz, Thiago Silva, Maicon, Marcelo, Alex you can rely on seriously!

6 defenders, 2 defensive midfielders and Daniel Alves....sorry but Germany, Spain and even Italy or Argentina looks more complete team to me, it looks like the final 8 or 4 for Brasil maximum

but hope im wrong :) since i want to enjoy the beautiful samba on the pitch as long as we can
 
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gabe.paul.logan said:
and who will get the team to the final?


the kids like Neymar, Oscar, Willian?
the overrated Hulk who plays for money in Russia?


Luis Gustavo, Daniel Alves, Ramires, Dante, David Luiz, Thiago Silva, Maicon, Marcelo, Alex you can rely on seriously!

6 defenders, 2 defensive midfielders and Daniel Alves....sorry but Germany, Spain and even Italy or Argentina looks more complete team to me, it looks like the final 8 or 4 for Brasil maximum

but hope im wrong :) since i want to enjoy the beautiful samba on the pitch as long as we can
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Brazil today:
Júlio César (Or Jefferson or Victor or Cavalieri or Fábio, no worries here)
Maicon; (Dani Alves don't deserve to play in 'seleção', great player for Barça though, hope he is injured in June otherwise Felipão will call him).
Thiago Silva; (The best CB on the world)
David Luis; (Dante is way better IMO)
Marcelo. (fantastic player offensively)
Luis Gustavo ( :WORSHIP: ) If there's a player underrated in the world, that player is Luis Gustavo;
Paulinho ( :WORSHIP: ) Deserves to play in a team better than Tottenham;
Oscar ( :WORSHIP: ).
Hulk or Bernard;
Neymar (No, he is not a kid, Neymar is a genius)
Fred (Robinho played very well as a false-CF (don't know how it's called in Europe :P)

Argentina has a great team, Aguero worries me more than Messi (I don't think Messi gives a shit about Argentina).
After Confederations Cup we just can't take Spain seriously.

And I may be wrong about everything but one thing I'm sure: Italy is not a threat.
 
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gomito#10 said:
Fuck you fifa
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I honestly don't mind having to play Germany, Ghana, and Portugal. I think they will have to worry about us as much as we will have to worry about them. Each team has the potential to qualify for the knock-out stages. My only concern is the effect that the extensive amount of travel will have on the players. No other team will have to travel as far as the US will throughout the group stages. However, Dempsey said in an interview today that Klinsmann purposely scheduled games during this last summer's Gold Cup and qualifiers for cities thousands of miles apart just to replicate this exact sort of scenario.
 
Steve-O21 said:
I honestly don't mind having to play Germany, Ghana, and Portugal. I think they will have to worry about us as much as we will have to worry about them. Each team has the potential to qualify for the knock-out stages. My only concern is the effect that the extensive amount of travel will have on the players. No other team will have to travel as far as the US will throughout the group stages. However, Dempsey said in an interview today that Klinsmann purposely scheduled games during this last summer's Gold Cup and qualifiers for cities thousands of miles apart just to replicate this exact sort of scenario.
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Yeah, one thing people don't think of is the organization of American people combined with a German coach. I'm sure they will get here prepared for this kind of situation.

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But Germany is just better, they will win and that is it.
 
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Re: Road to the World Cup Brazil 2014

renato0araujo0 said:
You don't understand. If Brazil get eliminated on the semi-finals the players will be lynched on the street.
Brazilian players don't have the right to loose this time. Brazilian people deserve this, and we've been wait for this for too long now.
In 2010 we had one of the worst teams ever in a WC, in 2006 the players were kidding in Germany on their summer vacation, now it's different. Stupid guys like Ronaldo or Adriano are not playing anymore, now we have a team committed to win.

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"If Brazil get eliminated on the semi-finals the players will be lynched on the street".
That's a figure os speech, maybe this sounds wrong in English. :P
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Your reaction indicaties that i understood perfectly.
Why play matches ?
Just give the Cup to Brazil. Or maybe let them choose against which country they want to play the final (Uruguay to undo 1950 ?), select a Byron Morenolike ref and everybody will be happy.
I don't care who wins, but let it be a fair, just and good tournament.
 
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Daniel__Juve said:
I was hoping Germany would also get Russia, would be cool to see Germany play against USA and Russia, hehe.
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Exactly. Russia VS Germany, Germany VS USA, Russia VS USA... would've been so much to play for.
Not a bad draw for us with Belgium, Korea and Algeria though.
 
gabe.paul.logan said:
and who will get the team to the final?


the kids like Neymar, Oscar, Willian?
the overrated Hulk who plays for money in Russia?

Luis Gustavo, Daniel Alves, Ramires, Dante, David Luiz, Thiago Silva, Maicon, Marcelo, Alex you can rely on seriously!

6 defenders, 2 defensive midfielders and Daniel Alves....sorry but Germany, Spain and even Italy or Argentina looks more complete team to me, it looks like the final 8 or 4 for Brasil maximum

but hope im wrong :) since i want to enjoy the beautiful samba on the pitch as long as we can
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Hulk isn´t overrarted and all play for money.

Brazil will have a massive home support, have you seen the opening NT game in maracana?
 
Stupid that Italy was given this position in the draw, after doing so well in the last 3 years. Anyway, only thing I can say is BRING IT ON.
 
renato0araujo0 said:
Yeah, one thing people don't think of is the organization of American people combined with a German coach. I'm sure they will get here prepared for this kind of situation.

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But Germany is just better, they will win and that is it.
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I appreciate the compliment, but it seems misguided. The level of play here has improved drastically over the last 20 years. We are no longer a side that simply tries hard and nicks the odd goal here and there. Yes, our players still have that same level determination that has always been a defining characteristic of previous US teams, but the 2014 squad is by far the most technically proficient and soccer-savvy team we have ever taken to a World Cup. In fact, this is also the deepest US team in our history. No, we are nowhere near the level of Brazil, Germany, or Spain, but we are certainly more than capable of beating any team in the world on any given day. I expect Germany to win the group, but I'm not so sure it will be as straightforward as everyone in this thread seems to think it will be for Portugal. Ghana can match up with any of the teams in group athletically and have enough attacking talent and organization in midfield -- perhaps more than any of the other African sides -- to frustrate more organized opposition.
 
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VK said:
Exactly. Russia VS Germany, Germany VS USA, Russia VS USA... would've been so much to play for.
Not a bad draw for us with Belgium, Korea and Algeria though.
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I was thinking before yesterday's draw how funny and ironic it would be if Iran, Korea DPR, Russia, and the US all qualified for the same World Cup and were drawn together. It's too bad that that scenario is not technically possible because of regulations regarding how many teams from one continent can be in any one particular group. If we were put into the same pot as the African nations for this tournament, there would have been the possibility drawing the original Axis of Evil: Germany, Italy, and Japan. Do you have any idea how many Americans would tune in to watch those matches?!
 
Steve-O21 said:
I appreciate the compliment, but it seems misguided. The level of play here has improved drastically over the last 20 years. We are no longer a side that simply tries hard and nicks the odd goal here and there. Yes, our players still have that same level determination that has always been a defining characteristic of previous US teams, but the 2014 squad is by far the most technically proficient and soccer-savvy team we have ever taken to a World Cup. In fact, this is also the deepest US team in our history.
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Completely agree on this. Your boys can bring massive trouble to the group, I don't see them as underdogs and their chances to reach the elimination rounds once they've beaten one team (doesn't matter which of the three), which wouldn't be surprising at all, are pretty big imho.
 
PIPA23 said:
Hulk isn´t overrarted and all play for money.

Brazil will have a massive home support, have you seen the opening NT game in maracana?
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nope just saying by looking at players who i know how they play for their clubs, its like the 2010 Germany NT imo with a massive, experienced defense, defensive midfield and a really young, talented attacking midfied, attackers who are still not ready to take the pressure or not that strong individually to carry a team on their shoulder for a month in a serious competition.

the players who play for serious championship
when Robinho did it?(never did it for any team, the next Pelé and he will turn 30 in january)
when Neymar did it?
when Oscar did it?
when Paulinho did it?
ok they can bring suprise for 1 or 2 games ofcourse but..

and now think of Germany...and now look at Müller, Reus, Özil, Khedira, Götze, Schweinsteiger, (+ Gündogan, Draxler, Kroos, Schürrle are in the phase that i mentioned in the case of Neymar, Oscar, Paulinho)
i think Brasil's time will come on the next WC

but its just me, i wouldnt bet on Brasil, time will tell tho as i said earlier :)
 
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Re: Road to the World Cup Brazil 2014

Steve-O21 said:
If we were put into the same pot as the African nations for this tournament, there would have been the possibility drawing the original Axis of Evil: Germany, Italy, and Japan. Do you have any idea how many Americans would tune in to watch those matches?!
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in that case, italy should be allowed to switch groups in the middle of the competition, according to our own convenience :P (just kidding, obviously).

anyway yeah, the usa team had a significant growth over the last 20 years and right now they are definitely no pushovers. they could give a hard time to any team on the planet (bar spain and germany, i guess).

as for brazil's supposed "home advantage", i'm not sure that's gonna benefit the team at all. football in brazil is much more than a sport; it's a chance for social enfranchisement and emancipation, it's a major outlet for nationalistic pride. therefore "winning" becomes something much more serious than a mere aspiration: a social obligation. it's the players' duty to reflect the country's great tradition and history.
what i'm trying to say is that, as a football player, u don't get "support" from brazilians, but pressure.... an enourmous ammount of pressure. talking about "mediatic pressure on the players", brazil makes argentina look like italy.... and italy look like germany.

this sort of "support" ceases to be a motivational push... it becomes a burden. because if it's your "duty" to win, than any other result will be considered a failure, no matter the circumstances.
and when a player enters the pitch knowing that his entire country is demanding a win (and not just rooting for it).... well he might even have the personality of beckembauer, the coolness of pirlo and the mental strenght of zanetti... it will still fuck up his mind.

it takes huge balls to be able to isolate yourself from all the mediatic pressure and expectation brazil is going to pile on its players.... and i don't think many brazilian players have such composure and mental strenght.

add to that the fact that this brazilian team seems to be slightly overrated by the media (and not just the brazilian media), and this cocktail of environmental factors becomes even less a benefit for the players.
i'm not saying they have a poor team, but they're definitely not favourites in my book; i rank them as possible outsiders, alongside italy and argentina, and way below spain and germany.

having said that, i'd love to see millions of brazilians celebrating a world cup victory at home, coz let's be honest, there's few people who love football as much as brazilians do... and there's few people who know how to celebrate as brazilians do :))
 
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Steve-O21 said:
I was thinking before yesterday's draw how funny and ironic it would be if Iran, Korea DPR, Russia, and the US all qualified for the same World Cup and were drawn together. It's too bad that that scenario is not technically possible because of regulations regarding how many teams from one continent can be in any one particular group. If we were put into the same pot as the African nations for this tournament, there would have been the possibility drawing the original Axis of Evil: Germany, Italy, and Japan. Do you have any idea how many Americans would tune in to watch those matches?!
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Don't think it would be any more Americans watching those games then the draw that was done yesterday, your avg American has no idea the historical significance... I would guess 90% of Texas has no idea Italy was once Our enemy.... Or Mussolini and his followers were, to be correct
 
gomito#10 said:
Don't think it would be any more Americans watching those games then the draw that was done yesterday, your avg American has no idea the historical significance... I would guess 90% of Texas has no idea Italy was once Our enemy.... Or Mussolini and his followers were, to be correct
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that is indeed much more correct ;) the majority of italians (an overwhelming majority really) never saw the americans as enemies, but as liberators :))
dplane said:
Time for the Netherlands to take some revenge on the Spanish. Too bad it ll have to be in group play already.
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how is netherlands doing lately? haven't watched them playing in ages :))
 
I can see the South American teams surprising everyone, even on later stages. I expect Colombia to have a massive World Cup.
 
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Simulated my "personal 2014 WC" using the Sport1 WM Simulator:

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Ben, i think the FIFA wants Brazil to progress at least until the semi's (that way the homeland stays in the Tournament until the end, that is much better for profits)and i think they are cynical enough to make that happen regardless of the quality of the team or the pressure that cripples them...
One example: 2002. In the first match after the group stage, Brazil had to play Belgium. Belgium had an outstanding match and our current national coach scored a goal that was ruled out by the Jamaican referee Prendergast (he is well known in Belgium). Until today nobody knows why that goal was ruled out. At the moment it was 0-0.

Brazil scored in the second half (a lucky goal, a ball deflected by a Belgian defender) and right at the end Belgium play all or nothing and Brazil scored asecond on the counter. Even the Brazilian players conceded that the best team lost...

I give this example because obviouslyas a Belgian i remember well...

IMO FIFA looses lots of credibility with that draw. First of all, Belgium, Switzerland and Columbia should not be in pot one. Italy and Netherlands should be.
The fact that Belgium was in pot 1 and the Netherlands not was due to a friendly match between the both of them in august 2012. Holland used this match to experiment, for us those matches against Holland are the matches of the century. Belgium won and that made the difference. Holland has a much better (and lesser hyped) team... Same goes for Italy.

Then there was the charade with pot X...what the hell was that ? Why couldn't there be 3 European or 3 South American teams in the same group ?

I like WC's but they are overrated massively...the team who has the best form in those 7 matches wins (usually slow starters). Players who shine get a big transfer and more than 50% of them never perform at their new club. Watch out next season...the players who emerged during a WC will not play well for their club(i'm not talking about the Ronaldo's and the Messi's).
 
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I would love to see Scolari´s stupid face explaining the media how Brasil lost in round of 16! And I am brazilian, I just can´t stand Scolari, CBF and the brazilian press.
 
In truth, it is impossible to make a team's path easier with a draw. A draw is a draw, random and honest. What is stupid is FIFA's ranking system, but I'll get to that later.
But when it comes to the draw, Brazil's group is not a piece of cake, but the logic is for Brazil to top that group. And then on the knockout stage, the first thing Brazil will encounter would be Spain or Holland!
So far, I think Argentina got the easiest path of them all. They should grab all 9 points in the group stage and then face Switzerland or Ecuador (I'm thinking France will have a lot of joy in that group, although football is unpredictable).

Now, what really pissed me off is FIFA's ranking system. How on Earth Colombia and Switzerland got to be top seeds? As a result, there are very week groups and at least 2 groups of death. I'll never know how Holland isn't a top seed. Or Italy, for that matter. Both finished the qualifiers unbeaten and have lots of World Cup pedigree.
And how did Uruguay end up as a top seed? They can be very good team, but they had to qualify through playoffs. Even Ecuador finished ahead of them! And we're talking about a qualification which didn't feature Brazil! Without Brazil in it, it was very poor from Uruguay to finish 5th and it beats me how FIFA placed them as top seeds.
At the end of the day I think it's all politics - since the cup is in South America, they gave half the top seed spots to South American sides (when we are really only used to see Brazil and Argentina get it).

FIFA's ranking system and odd groups affected even me: I got tickets to see matches in my hometown Brasilia and was hoping to see at least another great football nation besides Brazil - but I got tickets for Switzerland vs Ecuador and Colombia vs Côte d'Evoire :P
With all due respect to these teams. But as luck would have it, the distant city of Manaus will host Italy vs England in the middle of the Amazon :P

The distance teams like England, Italy and USA will have to travel is insane! FIFA and Brazil should have tried to concentrate the venues in areas that are a bit closer to each other - it would make sense because the areas that are more far out are less developed. But in the end, as I said, it's all politics.

As for help with officiating, I fully expect Brazil to get some.
I hear what Gerd is saying about the 2002 World Cup and I felt sorry for Belgium for having that goal disallowed. But back then I think it was down to poor refs, not bad intentions. Later in that competition Brazil had Ronaldinho sent off for nothing against England but still managed to get through with 10 men. It was just poor officiating.

But now it's different. The pressure from the audience, from a whole nation. And players like Neymar, who are con artists. The Confed Cup already showed us how it will be. Neymar got all decisions he was looking for, you might as well let him play with a whistle in his mouth.

I'm really disgusted by this behaviour and it's appalling that refs fall for it. It kind of ruined the experience for me, as I found myself cheering Italy on, against my own country after that dodgy free kick.
I never was particularly happy with Rivaldo against the Turks either, but this time around it's systematic, we got a real cheater in our hands. So I won't be surprised if we get a "friendly whistle".
 
Ernesto Lee said:
I would love to see Scolari´s stupid face explaining the media how Brasil lost in round of 16! And I am brazilian, I just can´t stand Scolari, CBF and the brazilian press.
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why the hate for scolari? i'll admit i don't know the man very much, but i've always found him quite a likeable guy... and a very good coach. :))
Gerd said:
Ben, i think the FIFA wants Brazil to progress at least until the semi's (that way the homeland stays in the Tournament until the end, that is much better for profits)and i think they are cynical enough to make that happen regardless of the quality of the team or the pressure that cripples them...
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as a general rule, i refuse to believe in conspiracies and fixed matches unless they're just undenyable (as it was the case with the 2002 world cup). u may call me naive, but i deliberately choose to ignore this sort of world cup conspiracy theories, because honestly, what would be the point in following a competition u consider rigged? why would we even watch the games in the first place?
so, since i want to watch the games i decide to clear my mind of any doubts of this sort.
as for the 2002 world cup, i strongly believe that, for the sake of this sport we love, we should never talk about it and simply pretend that world cup never happened... coz if we were to do otherwise (like i said before) we should just stop watching football altogether.

and although it's pretty well established that corruption is a common practice in fifa, i think it woud be unfair towards brazilian fans to question the merits of their team's achievements before the WC has even started.
bottom line, i understand your concerns, and i can't honestly say u're crazy (afterall the japanese-korean world cup was just 11 years ago), but i think we should (at least) wait for the world cup to begin and for some matches to be played, before making this sort of accusations ;))
 
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lo zio said:
as a general rule, i refuse to believe in conspiracies and fixed matches unless they're just undenyable (as it was the case with the 2002 world cup).
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Ah yes, allow me to amend my previous post, when I suggested the 2002 WC was "clean". Brazil got dodgy decisions too, but it was against Turkey in the group stage and that Belgium disallowed goal. While on the other hand, Ronaldinho (our best player against England) got sent off for nothing and missed the semi-finals through suspension (FIFA has got to begin reviewing suspensions through video evidence, but they're too stubborn and too corrupt to do it).

Now, what was seen against Spain and Italy, and in favour of South Korea, was no doubt biasing toward the home side. It was really out of the ordinary.

In that sense, Brazil being the host nation, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened. But as you said, let's at least wait for it before moaning about it :)
 
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