PLF
Legend
- 2 August 2004
Re: Manchester United Champions Thread!!!19!!!!!
Hahaha probably.
And he really does look like a lesbian!
Hahaha probably.
And he really does look like a lesbian!
Manchester United Thread
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Re: Manchester United Champions Thread!!!19!!!!!
Will be really interesting to see how Fergie rotates the wings this season. I'm assuming we'll keep Nani - would be pretty mad not to. I see Young as a like for like replacement for Giggsy, though he can obviously play in the hole too.
With the players now available to him, Fergie could go back to the fluid 4 we had with Tevez a few season ago:
------CMF----CMF------
-Valencia-Nani-Young--
--------Rooney--------
With all 4 players switching positions throughout. Does raise questions about how Berbatov and Hernandez fit in though.
Will be really interesting to see how Fergie rotates the wings this season. I'm assuming we'll keep Nani - would be pretty mad not to. I see Young as a like for like replacement for Giggsy, though he can obviously play in the hole too.
With the players now available to him, Fergie could go back to the fluid 4 we had with Tevez a few season ago:
------CMF----CMF------
-Valencia-Nani-Young--
--------Rooney--------
With all 4 players switching positions throughout. Does raise questions about how Berbatov and Hernandez fit in though.
RuneEdge
Silent Assassin
- 1 October 2003
- Team
- Manchester United
Re: Manchester United Champions Thread!!!19!!!!!
Like I said before. There's no way Chicharito isnt gonna start every game. If anything, we'll probably move Rooney into another position if we have to. Hernandez has too much momentum going and stifling his run would be a huge mistake.
Like I said before. There's no way Chicharito isnt gonna start every game. If anything, we'll probably move Rooney into another position if we have to. Hernandez has too much momentum going and stifling his run would be a huge mistake.
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I can see us using Giggs in the middle instead of on the flanks this season, allowing Young, Tony V & Nani to rotate along with Jason Park.
If Gibson moves on (come on Sunderland!), that'll most likely give Cleverley his chance in the team. Still hoping we bring in a marquee playmaker though, unless SAF thinks Rooney can do a job there...?
I can see us using Giggs in the middle instead of on the flanks this season, allowing Young, Tony V & Nani to rotate along with Jason Park.
If Gibson moves on (come on Sunderland!), that'll most likely give Cleverley his chance in the team. Still hoping we bring in a marquee playmaker though, unless SAF thinks Rooney can do a job there...?
Re: Manchester United Champions Thread!!!19!!!!!
Kind of agree, but also think people are getting a bit carried away by his first season success. Parts of his game are still not up to the level that you'd expect from a United striker - namely hold up play and general teamwork. Obviously he'll learn and get better, but if we're sticking him up top by himself, we'll really struggle to hold possession. Especially if De Gea or whoever has VDS's love of hoofing at the smallest two players on the pitch (Roon and Chica) every time he gets it.
It is, of course, a nice problem to have, but I just don't get how you fit the following players into a team: Rooney, Chicarito, Berbatov, Valencia, Young, Nani.
They're all good enough to start, and will expect at least 40 games in a season if fit. I just don't get how it's possible.
And that, of course, ignores Welbeck, Macheda, Owen, Diouf, Park, Obertan etc.
Just seems like our squad balance is a bit off.
Kind of agree, but also think people are getting a bit carried away by his first season success. Parts of his game are still not up to the level that you'd expect from a United striker - namely hold up play and general teamwork. Obviously he'll learn and get better, but if we're sticking him up top by himself, we'll really struggle to hold possession. Especially if De Gea or whoever has VDS's love of hoofing at the smallest two players on the pitch (Roon and Chica) every time he gets it.
It is, of course, a nice problem to have, but I just don't get how you fit the following players into a team: Rooney, Chicarito, Berbatov, Valencia, Young, Nani.
They're all good enough to start, and will expect at least 40 games in a season if fit. I just don't get how it's possible.
And that, of course, ignores Welbeck, Macheda, Owen, Diouf, Park, Obertan etc.
Just seems like our squad balance is a bit off.
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DagsJT
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...d-De-Gea-set-seal-Manchester-United-move.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...d-De-Gea-set-seal-Manchester-United-move.html
YoungGun_UK
20 TIMES!
Re: Manchester United Champions Thread!!!19!!!!!
Hernandez will start Beachryan, He proved he's good enough last year. the side of
Valencia--Young--Nani
--------Rooney--------
Is weaker, Young V Rooney in that position theirs no contest, Rooney's a much better playmaker, much better long passer, Young's a better dribbler but Rooney is much better in that role.
Rooney v Hernandez up top. Rooney's scored 35? Hernandez 20. Hernandez and Rooney both have great movement but the former edges it IMO, He's quicker than Wayne and a better finisher who is improving at quite a rate. Your putting Rooney (DEFINITELY WITHOUT SCHOLES our most creative player) in a position which requires nothing but the tap in when we have a player who specialises in that and in that very role has the potential to be just as dangerous.
Valencia IMO maybe the one who loses out most IMO.
Nani---Rooney--Young
------Hernandez----
Hernandez will start Beachryan, He proved he's good enough last year. the side of
Valencia--Young--Nani
--------Rooney--------
Is weaker, Young V Rooney in that position theirs no contest, Rooney's a much better playmaker, much better long passer, Young's a better dribbler but Rooney is much better in that role.
Rooney v Hernandez up top. Rooney's scored 35? Hernandez 20. Hernandez and Rooney both have great movement but the former edges it IMO, He's quicker than Wayne and a better finisher who is improving at quite a rate. Your putting Rooney (DEFINITELY WITHOUT SCHOLES our most creative player) in a position which requires nothing but the tap in when we have a player who specialises in that and in that very role has the potential to be just as dangerous.
Valencia IMO maybe the one who loses out most IMO.
Nani---Rooney--Young
------Hernandez----
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Aboutreika18
Too Black, Too Strong
- 5 September 2006
Re: Manchester United Champions Thread!!!19!!!!!
It's that damn Nani/Valencia conundrum, isn't it?
I'm pretty sure Nani getting more games on the right was part of the thinking behind signing Young, even if that is harsh on Valencia who was brilliant after recovering from that horrible injury.
It's that damn Nani/Valencia conundrum, isn't it?
I'm pretty sure Nani getting more games on the right was part of the thinking behind signing Young, even if that is harsh on Valencia who was brilliant after recovering from that horrible injury.
RuneEdge
Silent Assassin
- 1 October 2003
- Team
- Manchester United
Re: Manchester United Champions Thread!!!19!!!!!
I bet Park will move on and Valencia will fill his role in the squad and on the pitch.
I bet Park will move on and Valencia will fill his role in the squad and on the pitch.
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We'll see. The one nice thing about real options on the wings is that they're a great option with 30 minutes left. Imagine if you'd played against:
-Valencia-----------Nani--
------Rooney--Berbatov----
for 65 minutes, and two subs later you've got:
-Nani--Rooney--Young--
------Hernandez-------
For the rest of the game. That's brutal.
We'll see. The one nice thing about real options on the wings is that they're a great option with 30 minutes left. Imagine if you'd played against:
-Valencia-----------Nani--
------Rooney--Berbatov----
for 65 minutes, and two subs later you've got:
-Nani--Rooney--Young--
------Hernandez-------
For the rest of the game. That's brutal.
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I'd be fine with that. Especially if we can get c. 7-10m for him.
I'd be fine with that. Especially if we can get c. 7-10m for him.
Cristiano Rossinho
The Most Underrated
Re: Manchester United Champions Thread!!!19!!!!!
as seen on twitter: EXCLUSIVE: Tottenham accepted a £35m offer from Manchester United for Luka Modric. Player to undergo Medical on Thursday.
as seen on twitter: EXCLUSIVE: Tottenham accepted a £35m offer from Manchester United for Luka Modric. Player to undergo Medical on Thursday.
YoungGun_UK
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That was my thinking when we signed him with Ronaldo on the left but theirs no way Valencia suits the "Park" Role having seen him over the last 2 seasons. The 4 of them will just rotate with Nani being the most likely to play the most.
That was my thinking when we signed him with Ronaldo on the left but theirs no way Valencia suits the "Park" Role having seen him over the last 2 seasons. The 4 of them will just rotate with Nani being the most likely to play the most.
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DagsJT
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I thought your lot rated Park extremely highly and that you thought he was one of the main parts of your team?
I thought your lot rated Park extremely highly and that you thought he was one of the main parts of your team?
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I like him, but he's just not quite good enough quality for our first XI. It depresses me that our coaches can't get a more talented player to offer his tactical discipline, but I would always rather we had a proper attacking player in his position on the pitch.
His touch, vision, shot and long passing is just not good enough for most games. He's best when his role is just to run around a lot, and play little short passes. I just like to see more from our wingers.
I like him, but he's just not quite good enough quality for our first XI. It depresses me that our coaches can't get a more talented player to offer his tactical discipline, but I would always rather we had a proper attacking player in his position on the pitch.
His touch, vision, shot and long passing is just not good enough for most games. He's best when his role is just to run around a lot, and play little short passes. I just like to see more from our wingers.
kevano22
TDWFYU
- 2 August 2003
YoungGun_UK
20 TIMES!
Re: Manchester United Champions Thread!!!19!!!!!
His workrate and off the ball movement is pretty great. he's a decent link up player also. If we were looking for a upgrade then Alexis Sanchez would have given us his workrate + the attacking talent. you can't have it all though
His workrate and off the ball movement is pretty great. he's a decent link up player also. If we were looking for a upgrade then Alexis Sanchez would have given us his workrate + the attacking talent. you can't have it all though
bebo
Looking for a Manager
Re: Manchester United Champions Thread!!!19!!!!!
spending a bit of cash I see... what is it now £55m this could very be £80m by the end of the window. Enough to over throw Barca? !believ4!
spending a bit of cash I see... what is it now £55m this could very be £80m by the end of the window. Enough to over throw Barca? !believ4!
Aboutreika18
Too Black, Too Strong
- 5 September 2006
Re: Manchester United Champions Thread!!!19!!!!!
Where'd you think the Ronaldo money went?
Where'd you think the Ronaldo money went?
bebo
Looking for a Manager
Re: Manchester United Champions Thread!!!19!!!!!
where in my post did I ask about where the money came from I`m no accountant crushing numbers and whatnot Im not dagsJT
Where'd you think the Ronaldo money went?
where in my post did I ask about where the money came from I`m no accountant crushing numbers and whatnot
Im not dagsJT
Aboutreika18
Too Black, Too Strong
- 5 September 2006
Re: Manchester United Champions Thread!!!19!!!!!
It was meant to be a joke about the £80m figure you brought up...where in my post did I ask about where the money came from I`m no accountant crushing numbers and whatnot
bebo
Looking for a Manager
Re: Manchester United Champions Thread!!!19!!!!!
£80m surely its more with incentives mmm £30m left that can seal a deal for any player .
£80m surely its more with incentives
mmm £30m left that can seal a deal for any player .Re: Manchester United Champions Thread!!!19!!!!!
What's going to be really interesting is which players now leave, and how much we manage to raise from their sales. I could realistically see us selling (and at least getting something for):
Kuszcak
Brown
O'Shea
Gibson (though I think he might be kept as backup)
Park
Macheda
Diouf
And that's discounting any of the reserve/ youth players getting sold to lower league teams.
Should be able to recoup at least a few bob
Leaves us with, I think:
GK: De Gea, Lindegaard, Amos
FB: Rafael, Fabio, Evra
CB: Rio, Vida, Jones, Smalling, Evans
CM: Carrick, Fletcher, Giggs, Anderson
SMF: Nani, Valencia, Young, Obertan, Cleverly
FW: Rooney, Berba, Hernandez, Owen, Welbeck
I've probably missed something, but that does look pretty quality to me.
What's going to be really interesting is which players now leave, and how much we manage to raise from their sales. I could realistically see us selling (and at least getting something for):
Kuszcak
Brown
O'Shea
Gibson (though I think he might be kept as backup)
Park
Macheda
Diouf
And that's discounting any of the reserve/ youth players getting sold to lower league teams.
Should be able to recoup at least a few bob
Leaves us with, I think:
GK: De Gea, Lindegaard, Amos
FB: Rafael, Fabio, Evra
CB: Rio, Vida, Jones, Smalling, Evans
CM: Carrick, Fletcher, Giggs, Anderson
SMF: Nani, Valencia, Young, Obertan, Cleverly
FW: Rooney, Berba, Hernandez, Owen, Welbeck
I've probably missed something, but that does look pretty quality to me.
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DagsJT
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Macheda's another one who's had rave posts in here, but now you're expecting to sell? What's going on here?!
Macheda's another one who's had rave posts in here, but now you're expecting to sell? What's going on here?!
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I don't want to sell Macheda, but I just don't see how he can get the opportunity to improve with us.
He's a strange beast - doesn't seem to have any particular attribute that stands out, but does have that certain something about him. Worth noting that his goal scoring rate for United is quite good, especially given his age. But he was terrible in Italy.
But, he's not as good as Rooney, Berbatov or Hernandez, so even ignoring Owen and Welbeck I just don't see how often he'll play
Fair amount of chat today that we're (oddly) going back in for Jack Rodwell, and that Macheda might be somehow included in the deal. Dunno if loan.
I don't want to sell Macheda, but I just don't see how he can get the opportunity to improve with us.
He's a strange beast - doesn't seem to have any particular attribute that stands out, but does have that certain something about him. Worth noting that his goal scoring rate for United is quite good, especially given his age. But he was terrible in Italy.
But, he's not as good as Rooney, Berbatov or Hernandez, so even ignoring Owen and Welbeck I just don't see how often he'll play
Fair amount of chat today that we're (oddly) going back in for Jack Rodwell, and that Macheda might be somehow included in the deal. Dunno if loan.
YoungGun_UK
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Macheda won't be sold just yet but I do worry, he'll need to be patient as both Berbatov and Owen are 30+ instead of pushing for a move. 1 season in the Championship (PL side would be great) and then if he's done well go on loan to a PL side the season after.
Obertan could be sold, Park definitely won't. Diouf should be sold and Welbeck loaned out again (I think he really should be taking Owen's spot personally)
Macheda won't be sold just yet but I do worry, he'll need to be patient as both Berbatov and Owen are 30+ instead of pushing for a move. 1 season in the Championship (PL side would be great) and then if he's done well go on loan to a PL side the season after.
Obertan could be sold, Park definitely won't. Diouf should be sold and Welbeck loaned out again (I think he really should be taking Owen's spot personally)
Metallica
Whoosh... Bullshit!
- 20 August 2003
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I don't see the logic in this selling Park nonesense. I know he's came out recently and said he might not end his career at United but you have to admire the honesty of the lad. He's not getting any younger but himself and his 3 lungs still have alot to offer
I don't see the logic in this selling Park nonesense. I know he's came out recently and said he might not end his career at United but you have to admire the honesty of the lad. He's not getting any younger but himself and his 3 lungs still have alot to offer
PLF
Legend
- 2 August 2004
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There's no way Man Utd should sell Park! Even following Young's arrival as well as potentially others. Even if he's not gonna play as big a role as he has in recent seasons, getting rid of a player of his experience, commitment, attitude, consistency and work-rate who can also play in central midfield for you (which seems like a position really needing bolstering right about now) and is super versatile would be a huge mistake!
Luckily for Manchester Utd, I believe Fergie rates him far higher than most fans seem to do so I very much doubt he'd be willing to let him go unless a really good offer comes in and the player wants to leave.
There's no way Man Utd should sell Park! Even following Young's arrival as well as potentially others. Even if he's not gonna play as big a role as he has in recent seasons, getting rid of a player of his experience, commitment, attitude, consistency and work-rate who can also play in central midfield for you (which seems like a position really needing bolstering right about now) and is super versatile would be a huge mistake!
Luckily for Manchester Utd, I believe Fergie rates him far higher than most fans seem to do so I very much doubt he'd be willing to let him go unless a really good offer comes in and the player wants to leave.