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Manchester United Thread

Personally I would drop rooney and play kagawa behind RVP. Rooney has got to be the most overrated and incosistent player there is. He can barely control a ball, beat a defender and his passing at best is average yet he will play every game and Berbatov wont get a look in.
 
knh4 said:
Personally I would drop rooney and play kagawa behind RVP. Rooney has got to be the most overrated and incosistent player there is. He can barely control a ball, beat a defender and his passing at best is average yet he will play every game and Berbatov wont get a look in.
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And somehow despite that, he's led the league in combined scoring and assists over the last 5 seasons.

Remarkable.
 
Taylor_94 said:
Nani tends to be..

Average/Amazing/Average/Average/Awful/Amazing/Amazing/Average/Average/Awful/Average/Amazing/Average/Amazing/Awful

But when he is amazing, he really can be incredible.
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Your overplaying it but you could easily be describing Rooney their also.

Both can be a bit patchy in form but for the most part deliver quite consistently, especially when it comes to Assists and Goals.
 
beachryan said:
And somehow despite that, he's led the league in combined scoring and assists over the last 5 seasons.

Remarkable.
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Rooney gets lots of penalties though , and bans too lol. Rooney had a great start last season and ppl expect that to continue. £200k is for something.... I think vs Everton he had a bad day. A beautiful cross by kagawa and the ball hits his shoulder.

Lampard will get 15 pens and score 10. You heard it here 1st.
 
bebo said:
Rooney gets lots of penalties though , and bans too lol.
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It's time for 'media says it so it's true' mythbusters!

Myth 1 - Before last season (when admittedly, I believe we had 8 penalties) United had been given the 2nd lowest number of penalties of all teams in the league in the past 4 seasons.

Myth 2 - Rooney picked up a single card last season - a yellow - in the final game of the season.
 
knh4 said:
Personally I would drop rooney and play kagawa behind RVP. Rooney has got to be the most overrated and incosistent player there is. He can barely control a ball, beat a defender and his passing at best is average yet he will play every game and Berbatov wont get a look in.
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I agree, Rooney is very overrated. He is such a frustrating player to watch....

Man Utd have underrated gems though. Carrick is one of my favourite players in England football.

Valencia is old fashioned winger, so scary for defenders now with new rules (not allowing to touch a player) and he takes advantage of this. Love the player.

But Rooney....No. Play RVP instead with the Japanese Iniesta behind him.

But Ferguson wont do this.
 
Well we certainly need a performance on Saturday - against a Fulham side that look pretty good themselves. If we drop 3 points we'll already be 6 points behind the leaders! Cripes.

I hope Fergie works out a way for us to get the most out of our talent. And perhaps moreoever, I pray he actually plays players in their 'real' positions. If Evans is back, then things become much more encouraging:

----------------De Gea------------------
--Rafael-----Vidic------Evans----Evra---
----------Carrick---Cleverley-----------
-----Valencia---Kagawa----------Nani----
----------------Rooney------------------

No room for welbz, rvp or hernandez. Madness.
 
Rooney's quality but his bottom level is quite embarrassing, on Monday he looked like a pub player, he's clearly brilliant though overall.

regarding RVP and Kagawa in behind, I can see that happening, I think

---------RVP--------
Kagawa>-<Rooney-Nani is the way to go, Kagawa and Rooney both rotating that spot.

Van Persie will start Ryan.
 
beachryan said:
It's time for 'media says it so it's true' mythbusters!

Myth 1 - Before last season (when admittedly, I believe we had 8 penalties) United had been given the 2nd lowest number of penalties of all teams in the league in the past 4 seasons.

Myth 2 - Rooney picked up a single card last season - a yellow - in the final game of the season.
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Oh Dear your number mixing are looking dodgy , I was being sarcastic, Arsenal had '0' pens last season ,Mutd has always gotten a good amount of pens. lowest compare to who? the reserve league ?
 
bebo said:
Oh Dear your number mixing are looking dodgy , I was being sarcastic, Arsenal had '0' pens last season ,Mutd has always gotten a good amount of pens. lowest compare to who? the reserve league ?
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Question my myth busting? I was exagerrating a bit indeed, but I meant of top teams.

2006/7 - 2010/11 - Penalties for:
Arsenal: 33
Chelsea: 32
Liverpool: 27
Man City: 28
Man United: 28

Last season United had 11, City had 8 and Arsenal had only 3.

In the 04/05 and 05/06 seasons, United had almost the fewest in the league.
 
beachryan said:
Question my myth busting? I was exagerrating a bit indeed, but I meant of top teams.

2006/7 - 2010/11 - Penalties for:
Arsenal: 33
Chelsea: 32
Liverpool: 27
Man City: 28
Man United: 28

Last season United had 11, City had 8 and Arsenal had only 3.

In the 04/05 and 05/06 seasons, United had almost the fewest in the league.
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your argument is impressive by 2006-2011 :LOL:

http://www.football-lineups.com/tourn/FA_Premier_League_2011-2012/Stats/ I don`t remember a single penalty although it said '2' but Rooney had 6, that`s more than anyone in the league ffs Myth-busters my arse! :P Check out Everton more scorers than anyone. Look at Arsenal more scorers than most and I thought Rvp was the only goal poacher (he just made the most important w/ Henry too)
 
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Fergie has said there will be no transfers- in or out- going ahead this summer after signing Angelo Henriquez.

Berba-benchwarmer all over again.
 
Surely Berbatov and Macheda will be gone? They literally gave no use, why didn't Arsenal want Berba thrown in to the RVP Deal?
 
Rooney is an absolute class of a player... U people are nuts. He is an all around footballer, touch, vision, power, pace, tracks back on d, scores... Everything far from overated
 
I'd be more reluctant to drop him than Nani at the moment. He usually takes a few games to get going, so nothing to worry about (yet!)

Sounds like no Evans tomorrow, so Evra may be moved to CB. Wonder if Alex Buttner will start at LB, or if we'll stick Rafael there with Big Tony staying (bloody hope not) at RB...
Jones is back in training, so hopefully he'll be back in the next week or 2 as well.

Wouldn't mind seeing this team tomorrow:
-----------DDG------------
Rafael--Vida--Evra--Buttner
------Carrick--Clevs------
Valencia--Rooney--Kagawa
-----------RVP-----------
 
Tap-ins and penalties have masked how poor rooney's overall game is and has been for about 2 years now.
He needs to be dropped to the bench just so he can re-evaluate his game and regain that edge he used to have.
 
knh4 said:
Tap-ins and penalties have masked how poor rooney's overall game is and has been for about 2 years now.
He needs to be dropped to the bench just so he can re-evaluate his game and regain that edge he used to have.
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yes last year he had 35 goals in 44 appearances, all were either tap-ins or penalties, and they are not considered quality cause they are only worth a half goal apparently...

for the love of god at least have some sort of quality reason why you say he is overated. Any fucking manager in the world, on any fucking team would want that goal scoring record.. tap ins or penalties... get a clue mate
 
Though I can agree that his touches and such were bad in Everton game, I can say the same about Scholes in first half (so many mistakes!).

Rooney in top form is hard to stop and every manager around knows about it.

He might not have the best technique in the World (he is no Ronaldo/Ronaldinho), but he gives his ALL FOR THE CLUB. There are hardly ANY players like that anymore. Rooney tracks back to get the ball, helps in developing offensive actions, etc.

I would definitely love it if he was used as proper Center Forward, but our midfield is lacking. If it wasn't Rooney wouldn't have to drop as deep to get the f**king ball back -.-
 
Messi and Ronaldo have warped people's expectations of consistency and productivity.

Rooney will never reach that level of productivity but he's still a very good player for us.

I guess a lot of fans haven't forgiven him for the contract saga of 2010 either, which is fair enough.
 
Hate to say it, but we're not going to evolve as a team until Scholes costs us a few more points. I like to think Fergie has noticed that Giggs is utterly woeful in the centre of the park now, and won't keep making that mistake, but Scholsey looks to have just about stopped moving.

Yes, he completes 95% of his passes, but in the second half against Everton he basically only walked about in a 10 yard circle.

It's really sad, but despite all his quality the sheer lack of stamina and legs doesn't offset it, imo.

Cleverley, Carrick and Kagawa have to have a chance to show that they're the future, and that will sadly involve pushing Scholsey from a starting role.
 
Na, even if they haven't (which isn't surprising)you can't deny his quality. his record over the last 3 seasons barring that period has been ridiculously good, in fact phenomenal if Ronaldo and Messi weren't added to the mix. 94 goals and 29 assists in 147 games.

Players aren't allowed bad games anymore though because the best players apparently never have a bad game according to some people.

That trio would have started on Monday though, it was injuries which forced us to play Scholes, he's brilliant for home games IMO but he shouldn't start tough away days.
 
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