Re: Serie A Thread - 2008/2009 Season
Thats my point but looks like Italians don't agree with us. oh well..
oh come on dude, there's no need for that. first of, u misinterpretated abou's words, as i'm quite sure he agrees on me on that concern.
second, disagreeing is vital for conversation... there would be nothing to talk about if everyone always had the same opinion.
for instance, sometimes i disagree with YoungGun_UK, but that doesn't mean i don't enjoy reading his posts.
it's not like we disagree coz he's wrong... or coz i'm wrong.
the reason is sometimes we see things from different perspectives (hence our different point of views)....and this is great, coz reading his posts, i can see things from a different point of view and he can do the same.
and precisely for this reason, u'll never see me replying to his posts with an "
oh well....". and i'm absolutely sure he won't either. u can disagree with somebody and yet respect his point of views.
for instance when YoungGun said this
At the moment I think PL is the best league but Serie A and La Liga are good also.
he expressed his point of view. we might agree or not with him. but sure we can't say he's wrong, coz that's his personal point of view.
and he's entitled to have a point of view coz he actually knows what he's talking about.
he has a good knowledge of british football (of course) and he also has a more than decent knowledge of serie a.
when u expressed your point of views instead, u did nothing but telling us "
i'm talking about things i don't have a clue about"
and trust me, i'm not trying to insult u here.... it was just sooo evident from your points....
neoexodus said:
The problem with Juventus is obviously the manager that doesn't want any more big names in his team, too bad the big names he already has are over 30 and aren't really improving imo.
by saying that u're just proving u don't know ranieri neither juventus.
if by "big names" u mean football stars, then u're wrong. it's not like ranieri doesn't want them. Juve can't afford them. juve follows the same policies roma, lazio, fiorentina, napoli and many other italian clubs follow (the club funds itself). so they can't afford more than 1 top player per year (last season amauri, this season diego).
and one more thing. the reason why juventus football wasn't really exctiting this season was not because they don't have enough stars. that's just "clueless fans talking".
the quality of the football played by a team does NOT depend just by its players. the coach, the chemistry in the dressing room, the personality and the confidence of the players... the kind of players (and i don't mean quality... by "kind" i mean "role")... there are so many factors.
just place a decent playmaker in the middle of the midfield and u'll see a completely different juventus.
barcelona was one of the most annoying teams to watch last season.
then, in just a few months, the same team (with basically the same players) is playing some wonderful football. big names=quality football is just a silly equation... barca was full of big names last season..... and yet....
Neoexodus said:
Serie A lost his 1st place in the Best league in the World because of that, they kept using players of 30 years old, and didn't come up with a solution for it.
what in the name of God are u talking about!!
serie a has the 2nd lowest average players age among the top 5!!
according to uefa data, ligue un is the only league which displays more under 25 players than italy!!! (just talking about the top 5 though... epl, liga, ligue un, bundes, and serie a).
u see what i'm talking about? u just know milan and inter have many old players.... and, someway, u're pretending to extend that point to the entire league..... even if that's completely false.
how could anybody take u seriously after writing such a silly point?
neoexodus said:
some boring games, some good too but the bad ones outnumber the good ones..
the bad games outnumber the god ones??
that is definitely the most ridiculous of your points. coz serie a's best feature today is precisely the high average quality of the games.
as youggun mentioned our top clubs aren't that top anymore, but the remaining 16 are much better than their english and spanish counterparts... wich means that every week u get at least 3\5 nice matches to watch (wich, to be honest, is more than u get in liga and epl every week).
besides, on wich basis u're making this point? because by saying that all along the season the poor games outnumber the good ones, u're implying u actually watch most of the serie a games on a weekly basis.
now that's clearely false, as u don't watch that amount of match.... from what u wrote, i can tell u hardly watch 2 serie a games per week (and sure u only watch the top clubs).
so once again, u're talking about something u just don't know.
neoexodus said:
old tired teams Big 3 strugling to win an easy match cous they aren't competitive enough, etc
yeah, sure. let me tell u something mate.
reggina is on another planet, compared to numancia or wba
napoli is almost a top club compared to espanyol or blackburn
do u have any idea how big is the gap between udinese and malaga? or between lazio and maiorca??
this is the real reason why the top clubs struggle against mid class clubs.... because serie a's mid class clubs are not mid class anymore, compared to la liga's mid class clubs.
besides what does your point should imply anyway?
i mean, do u find boring to watch a pretty balanced match?
u find more "fun" to watch barca tearing apart every spanish defense week in week out? is that fun for u?
a league with a 23 points gap between the fist and the 3rd club? is that fun?
i'm sorry mate for dismantling every point u made... but that was not my intention. infact my first advice was "hey dude, just watch some serie a action before expressing yourself".... but then u came out with that "oh well...."
it's almost like u asked me to do that.
anyway i'm really sick of theese stupid "wich is the best league" conversations (not to mention the "serie a is not great anymore" conversation).
unfortunately we seem to have one of theese conversations every now and then in the serie a thread.... however now we had it so i hope we're done with this topic for a few months.
moving on, cracking match yesterday. i feel for samp fans, but delio rossi deserved it imo.
Younggun said:
Ranieri getting the Sack then? He's done good IMO, 2nd season back in Serie A and they somewhat "Challenged" Inter, good progress from last year.
absolutely agree mate. it's a shame what they're doing to ranieri imo. he's no top class, that for sure, but no one, not even lippi or capello could have done better than ranieri did with this juve this season.
Abhisell said:
Juventus do need new full backs for either of the systems to work.
are u trying to place dossena, abhi?
), but 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-1-2 seems likely. Juventus do need new full backs for either of the systems to work.
True, but I'm sure next season Italian clubs will field their most competitive lineups. Of course this depends on where they sit on the serie a table. For example, Udinese this season have had nothing to play for, they went all out against Werder (one Germany's top sides) with their best available 11 and only just lost. Any team outside of the top 4, still competing in the Uefa cup, will take it seriously.
