Arsenal Thread

Arseblog today points out a few other things that Shawcross has done in the past, which sort of dispells the myth that he is 'not that type of player'

http://www.oleole.com/blogs/arseblog

*Just to point out I don't think Shawcross meant to break his leg, but there is a certain mentality there.
 
You might be surprised Bobby, but i agree with most of the things you reply to my last post.

And of course it's not because i'm a Spurs fan that loves Arsenal that i'm objective or always right. If i would have a great football knowledge i would not be a Spurs fan.
 
My personal opinion is that fans and the media like Arsenal for the attractive style of play. Personally I reallly enjoy watching them, real entertainment.

But I do agree that "smaller" teams know that they can't give Arsenal time on the ball and are under instructions to clatter Arsenal players and play more physically.

I'm not sure if this happens in other countries like Spain with Barcelona but I imagine not as the "smaller" teams can still play nice football. There's a big difference between the style of football between teams at the top of the Premier League and the teams at the bottom and I think the lower managers know that their players can't match them for skill so use physicality instead.

I don't think any players go out to injure Arsenal players particularly, it's just that you're kind of a victim of your own success. You play such quick football, passing and moving, that the opposition wont get near you unless they ruffle feathers. And Eduardo/Ramsey are what the result is.

I'm not sure what the solution is. The tackles aren't really dangerous tackles as such, they're unlucky. But it's not like Arsenal are going to play less attractive football to stop teams being so physical.
 
BobbyBox said:
Arseblog today points out a few other things that Shawcross has done in the past, which sort of dispells the myth that he is 'not that type of player'

http://www.oleole.com/blogs/arseblog

*Just to point out I don't think Shawcross meant to break his leg, but there is a certain mentality there.
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c'mon the kid shawcross was gutted at what happened, think he was in tears when he left the pitch...

cant thnk of too many dirty players doing that, and as a club arsenal have had a few..

I for sure dnt remember keane crying after he "did" alfie in the derby (or any of his other victims)

big shame for ramsey tho, quality little player.
 
Vannizzlefashizzal said:
c'mon the kid shawcross was gutted at what happened, think he was in tears when he left the pitch...

cant thnk of too many dirty players doing that, and as a club arsenal have had a few..

I for sure dnt remember keane crying after he "did" alfie in the derby (or any of his other victims)

big shame for ramsey tho, quality little player.
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I'm not saying he did it on purpose, but he did it and he has done it before. So all of this 'he isn't that type of guy' shit isn't particularly correct. Because he is the type of guy to go in very hard on players and do a dirty tackle here and there.

its the analogy of the speeding driver that Arseblog used a couple of days ago I think said it best.

A young speeding driver loses control and kills somebody. He didn't mean it, but he did speed and he did kill somebody. He is a nice bloke, family man, but he still speeded and killed somebody. He probably cries in the dock when they sentance him to many years in jail....but he still did wrong and somebody has suffered from it.

Using someone being killed is a bit strong, but it still has a good point.

If a player ever did mean to break another players leg then that would be horrific. I don't think players think that they want to break somebodies leg. But they still go in recklessly and don't think of the consequences of it....until it is too late.
 
jaygrim said:
Who would you say was that type of player?
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I don't think anybody is the type of player to want to injure somebody.

But there are players that prefer to kick players about rather than play. Kevin Davies is a good example. He revels in the fact that we don't like to be kicked about. He had a good old laugh about it before the last game we played against them.
 
Yeah but to say he's that type of player is silly. You could say Vinnie Jones was that type of player but I don't think he broke anyone's leg?
 
jaygrim said:
So he was that type of player.
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I read somewhere on a forum that maybe ramsey broke the leg on his own. Any good quality video with a front (of ramsey) to prove that?
 
Neoexodus said:
I read somewhere on a forum that maybe ramsey broke the leg on his own. Any good quality video with a front (of ramsey) to prove that?
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yeah shawcross didn't fly in and smash his leg, I think Ramseys other leg came over and smashed the other one in :ROLL:

I will show you a video if you want;

YouTube - Tackeltje van Shawcross

This is Shawcross, a player that 'Isn't that type of player' playing for another club (9seconds in)
 
Well, so much has already been said, might as well add 2c:

1. Horrific injury, real shame for it to happen to such a promising young player. Hopefully it'll heal and he'll come back soon. I don't think anyone disagrees on that front.

2. The foul itself was reckless, regardless of intent. It was too risky for the potential gains, in my opinion, and warranted a yellow. That said, given the result, I can totally see the reason Walton gave a red. But in theory decisions should be based on the action, not the result.

3. Arsenal fans are more than welcome to wrap themselves in the comfy blanket that they play football the way it was meant to be, and all other teams are simply talentless hard men that in their sheer envy of one-touch keep ball feel they must kick Arsenal to the curb. But it sounds a lot to me like Liverpool fans claiming that the only reason United have ever won a trophy was due to the league/refereeing/god being corrupt. It's just not true.

4. This whole '3 makes it more than a coincidence' thing is frankly insulting. You're taking 3 incidents over the course of roughly 5 years and however many tens of thousands of minutes of football to demonstrate a trend? Seriously? So is 2 coincidence and 3 not? Who decided that? How far back do we look? Do we include partial breaks? No. It was an isolated incident.

5. Wenger was pissed the hell off, distressed and in a way it's like watching a son get hurt. So cut him all the slack he needs on his comments, if he reacted rationally there'd be something wrong with him.

6. If Arsenal win the league (when?) it'll be a great victory for football, and a really great occasion. And I'm a United fan.
 
wow Ryan that was very well put next time share your views earlier ;) like the day it happen.

watching Brasil and how unlucky is Rep. of Ireland Robinho`s goal was clearly offside
 
beachryan said:
Well, so much has already been said, might as well add 2c:

1. Horrific injury, real shame for it to happen to such a promising young player. Hopefully it'll heal and he'll come back soon. I don't think anyone disagrees on that front.

2. The foul itself was reckless, regardless of intent. It was too risky for the potential gains, in my opinion, and warranted a yellow. That said, given the result, I can totally see the reason Walton gave a red. But in theory decisions should be based on the action, not the result.

3. Arsenal fans are more than welcome to wrap themselves in the comfy blanket that they play football the way it was meant to be, and all other teams are simply talentless hard men that in their sheer envy of one-touch keep ball feel they must kick Arsenal to the curb. But it sounds a lot to me like Liverpool fans claiming that the only reason United have ever won a trophy was due to the league/refereeing/god being corrupt. It's just not true.

4. This whole '3 makes it more than a coincidence' thing is frankly insulting. You're taking 3 incidents over the course of roughly 5 years and however many tens of thousands of minutes of football to demonstrate a trend? Seriously? So is 2 coincidence and 3 not? Who decided that? How far back do we look? Do we include partial breaks? No. It was an isolated incident.

5. Wenger was pissed the hell off, distressed and in a way it's like watching a son get hurt. So cut him all the slack he needs on his comments, if he reacted rationally there'd be something wrong with him.

6. If Arsenal win the league (when?) it'll be a great victory for football, and a really great occasion. And I'm a United fan.
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Agree with most of what you say (Very good post :)) ). But I very rarely see an Arsenal fan boast about the way we play and also say that all other teams are talentless hard men. We just comment on the teams that kick us about. Never heard any Arsenal fans I have come across, have such delusions that they are much better than everybody else (maybe if we had won more in the last 5 years, it might have been different :PP).

Secondly with the 3 times coincidence thing. You are right in a way IMO, but if you look at other statistics with it, then it takes a different form. Compare that statistic (3 times in 4 years, diabys injury was in may 2006 I think?) to the other premierleague clubs? or any other club for that matter? compare how often it happens in professional football?

Then the 3 times it has happened to Arsenal, seems to not be a bunch of isolated incidents, but more of a mentality on how to play against Arsenal by some teams and what that results in.

Of course thats my opinion, but that is how I feel.
 
@ Beboq - apologies, busy times ;)
@ Bobby - again I think the 3 times thing is a bit of a red herring. Ronaldo was tackled more than any other player in the league when he was at his peak during that time, but a combination of luck and actually being seriously hard despite his pansy-ish protests 'protected' him. I mean, Djibril Cisse broke his leg twice in two seperate instances, but no one says it's because he's the type to get stuck in, or put his body on the line. Alan Smith did a similar injury by just jumping in a bad way, with no contact from anyone.

Don't get me wrong, Arsenal definitely (I think) get fouled more than most teams, probably the most in the league, but I don't believe that teams recklessly or maliciously tackle them. Alot of Arsenal's success in tight spaces relies on drawing in tackles then poking it away at the last second, so they do get caught more. But those leg breaks you mention were really one-offs, that could have happened to any team at any time, and in all honesty given the way the English play the game, I'm pretty surprised they don't happen more often.

Anyway, Arsenal do have my sympathy, to lose 3 players in as many seasons is tough, especially to such nasty injuries. And like I said, somehow they're on course to win the league - craziness!
 
I admit :CONFUSE: Bendtner should of had a 1st time hat-trick what a waste...can`t believe how unlucky our boys were. Chance after chances I`m happy for walcott and praying for a speedy recovering for fab. Porto,Hull,westham & brummies next
 
matherto said:
I want Bendtner to be good but jesus wept he shits himself whenever he gets a chance.

He'd probably make a better defender.
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He has scored 3 goals in his last 4 games for club and country, not that bad if you ask me?

Saying that he did have a terrible off day yesterday, but he got into the spaces and was there to make the chances, so that was a big plus. I think we play much better as a team when he plays up front.

I think the Arsenal fans know that, so when he was applauded off after yesterday, it just shows how much better he actually is.
 
I still think Bendtner is simply not good enough for Arsenal. Arsenal needs a decent center forward.
 
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