Re: Serie A Thread - 2009/10 Season
yeah what they're doing to facchetti is disgusting. he was an honest man, a true gentleman, he spent his "director-carreer" fighting against moggi and his associates. it's really low. and i'm not even an inter fan. actually i'm not even a facchetti fan. i never really liked him.... but i have an enourmous respect for him.
also the thing thing about him asking to have collina for an inter match is ridiculous. first of, coz
he didn't. i heard the conversation and it's absolutely evident that is bergamo to mention collina, not facchetti. besides, as u pointed out, collina was one of the referees who weren't involved in the scandal.... collina had nothing to do with this shit. facchetti was asking bergamo to assign inter some top flight referees. bergamo interrupted him while he was talking and said "oh yeah, collina, bertini, paparesta, for this sunday match u'll definitely have a top flight referee".
rfu said:
Let me just reaffirm, there were no 'fixed' games (at least not to my knowledge). What Moggi is guilty of is having an influence over referee designators. This is of course difficult to prove or interpret because the Mogster... I mean Moggi, could have in fact just been asking the designators to assign the best possible referees to officiate games.
oh no, no, no mate. u're definitely misinformed on this concern. there were fixed games. the magistrates spotted about 13 matches fixed because of moggi's intervention from 2004 to 2006. Moggi didn't ask pairetto and bergamo to assign to juve some top class referees... he ORDERED pairetto and bergamo to assign the "his" referees to the other club's matches. and they always did it coz their carreers depended by moggi. those days the referees association president (lanese) and the referees selectors (bergamo and pairetto) were elected by the presidents. and since moggi could control the elections (as most of the small clubs presidents would have voted for moggi's protegeès, just to do him a favour and maybe get a good deal from one of GEA's represented players), he could use his influence to force them to do what he wanted.
(btw, today the selector and the president of the referees associations are elected by the referee themselves, so there's no risk calciopoli could happen again).
thanks to his influence over lanese (referee's association president) he could decide the referees carreers. many referees knew that lanese was a "Moggi's man" and that their carreer depended on moggi's will, and that obviously had an "effect on their performances".
thanks to his influence over the referee selectors instead (bergamo and pairetto), moggi could decide which referee had to referee wich match on a weekly basis.
mind u, moggi didn't use to "operate" on juve's matches. that would have been too obvious, so he went for a more subtle approach. let me make an example....
let's imagine palermo has to play with udinese this week and with juve next week. well moggi calls bergamo and tells him to send one of "moggi's referees" (like De Santis) to the palermo-udinese match. the ref won't try to change the course of the game with his calls (he won't let palermo loose, if they're winning).....
he will just make sure some of palermo's best players won't be able to play against juve next week.... for instance by giving a double yellow card to kjaer or liverani or pastore.
this way no one will ever blame juve for anything, no one will notice anything.... but palermo will be damaged even before the match against juve begins.
that was the escamotage moggi used to apply more frequently. and yeah rfu, he didn't use money or gifts to reach his goals, he used his power and influence..... but that doesn't mean he didn't fix matches. u see, the most common way to corrupt somebody is a bribe.... but that's not the only one. if i have the power to destroy your carreer and i use this power, this influence, to have u doing what i want u to do.... well that's intimidation and corruption. that's exactly how a mafia boss operates. mafia boss don't bribe, they don't need to bribe anyone, coz their influence and power is much more effective than a bribe.
moggi didn't just fix some matches. he had control of every aspect ot italian football.
he used his power
against the players, forcing them to dump their agents and join GEA (his son's agents company). some players refused to do it (miccoli, grabbi, amoruso) and he destroyed their carreers. this is a fact that was proven during the trial... also thanks to miccoli's deposition.
that was a great depotision. miccoli simply OWNED moggi's lawyer. i was really proud he was a palermo player that day, as i realised what a honest corageous and nice person fabrizio miccoli is.
he used his power
against his associates. in order to please moggi (and to get some good deals with the players represented by GEA agents) many small club presidents used to ask moggi who to vote for at the elections for the referees association president, or at the election for the Lega Calcio president (the Lega Calcio is some sort of a serie a parliament).
he used his power
against his enemies. Della valle (fiorentina), Sensi (roma), Moratti (inter) Zamparini (palermo)..... all theese presidents had their battles with moggi during the Lega Calcio assemblies.... for different reasons. Sensi battled with him coz he wanted bergamo and pairetto out. Zamparini battled with him for a more fair tv-right money distribution. Della valle battled with him coz he thought the Lega Calcio wasn't as democratic as it should have been (and now we can say he was damn right).
Moggi used his influence over "his referees" to damange their clubs..... he almost kicked fiorentina in serie b! (that is a really disgusting story i won't talk about here coz it would make this post way too long)
so let's set the records striaght.... this whole show moggi is putting on is aimed to create confusion. he tried to make the point that also other club presidents used to call bergamo and pairetto to ask for better referees..... but that means nothing...
there's no harm in asking for a quality ref..... and that's not what moggi used to do.
he used to fix matches thanks to corrupted referees (the ones who were kicked out when the scandal blew up: De santis, Rodomonti, Babini and Puglisi), and his influence over the referee selectors allowed him to make sure those referees were always sent to "control" the matches he wanted them to fix.
he also used his power over the players (forcing them to join GEA), over small clubs presidents, over some Federcalcio directors (like Innocenzo Mazzini).
so make no mistake, Luciano Moggi is a criminal, as the guilty verdict already proved (and as this second appeal verdict will most likely confirm).
and mind u, all the things i'm saying here are undenyable. everything i wrote has been proved in a courtroom during the first instance trial (wich ended with a guilty verdict that will definitely be confirmed at the end of this appeal). this are facts.
and btw, i just scratched the surface here... i could have talked about many other things, like his control over some media, or like the threats against the players, or like the things he did in order to destroy della valle and send fiorentina in serie b... or like those famous
untraceable sim cards he gave to his (corrupted) referees, in order to safely talk with them about his plans...... but that would really take too much time.
Too bad goal.com gets their info from the pro-Juve newspapers La stampa and tutto sport 
This will never, ever happen, I repeat, never, EVER happennot only because there hasn't been any real evidence presented, but because the time has already lapsed. This applies to the other serie a sides that are being accused.
