Re: Serie A Thread - 2010/11 Season
very impressive display from juve indeed. vucinic can be quite unconsistant at times... but man, when he's in the right mood he's absolutely magnificent!!
i'm also glad for marchisio.... he got a lot of undeserved criticisms over the last 2 seasons imo.
nice to see u back in here sabac. it's been a while!
Oi Ben, what's that you said about Gasp not being a one formation coach? ..... .....why not go to the tested and proven 4-3-1-2??
u asking me if i changed my mind about gasperini being a versatile coach? no, i still mantain that opinion.... infact that isn't even an opinion really, it's a fact proved by stats... according to an article i read about 2 weeks ago, no coach in serie a has displayed more different formations than gasperini over the last 5 years. last season alone, he displayed a 4 men defensive line in 14 matches...... so much for a stubborn "one formation coach", huh?
those 4 official matches gasperini coached at inter are statistically irrilevant, when compared to his entire carreer..... and even in his short time at inter he has tried different solutions (he's also tried a 4 men defensive line, didn't he?).
as for your second point (gasperini being to blame for going back to the 3 men defensive line in his last match), i used to agree with u.... till a couple of weeks ago. infact that was the one thing i was holding gasperini responsible for....
i know moratti and branca aren't giving u what u need to play your football, i know this team is completely exhausted and without motivations..... but at least don't make things even worse by displaying a 3 men defensive setup man! the players look clearely confused and out of position!.... just go with what they know and then take it from there.
that's your point rfu, right? well that was my opinion too..... but then ranieri took over. he got back to a 4 men defensive line and... surprise, things aren't really changed at all. yeah u can see a little improvement from the players in terms of commitment (but that's the least u should expect, after their horrid performances costed their previous coach the job).... but speaking of tactics... even with the 4 men defensive line, the players still look confused and out of position....
bottom line, in 3 matches ranieri's 4 men defensive line conceded 6 goals... that's an average of 2 goals conceded per match.
so at this point we can definitely say
gasperini was right! it was not a tactical problem. the real issue was not the defensive setup and the 3 men line, as the 4 men defensive setup is not doing any better.
of course we couldn't tell that before. we're not insider, we're not professional coaches and we don't get to see the players training every day. so the only way for us to find out that gasperini's 3 men defensive line was not the issue... was to see this team playing (and failing to delivery) with a 4 men defensive line.
but gasperini didn't need to see that. he already knew that. he's a professional coach, and, working everyday with inter players, he had a very clear perspective of the situation.
so since he knew the team would have disappointed with any defensive setup, he probably thought "
what the hell, if i gotta go down, i'm gonna go down playing MY football (or at least trying to)" can u blame him for that? i can't.
rfu said:
you think he's get another coaching job? And no way will he get to coach a big side with that type of rigid approach to football.
of course he's gonna get another job. gasperini is a fantastic coach and this inter debacle is moratti's responsability... is branca's responsability.... any club owner in italy can see that, so there's no doubt the general consensus around gasperini hasn't changed at all. and like i said a few lines above, he's not stubborn, nor he has a rigid approach. stats don't lie here and u won't find a coach in serie a who has displayed more different formations than him.
there's no doubt he'll get another job.... will he get another chance at a top club? who knows... but that has nothing to do with his skills as a coach.
being hired by top clubs usually doesn't tell anything about your ability as a coach, because most top club owners have very little understanding of football (small clubs and midclass clubs owners are much more experts usually)... and that can be said about every top club, in every league.... think of man city owners, liverpool owners, abramovich, andrea agnelli.. do u think they have any real football knowledge?
leonardo is by far the worst coach i've seen in serie a in the last few years (he could easily be compared with an average english coach and that really says it all)... and yet in a very short carreer (3 years) he got 2 coaching jobs in 2 different top clubs...... while coaches like delio rossi, beretta, giampaolo, ballardini, mazzarri, baldini (who had much longer and more succesful carreers) never got a call from a top club.... i'd say that speaks volumes about how much top club owners know football and football coaches.
rfu said:
In this day and age, top managers win, not play good football, they win, they play the cards they're dealt, and they fucking win. Only then can you start asking for players who fit your system.
i'm afraid mate that's just not true. coaches never just eat what's on their plate. they always ask for the ingredients they think they need.... and when the owners don't provide them those ingredients, they tend to complain... a lot (just to stick to ex-inter coaches, think of benitez, last season.... or mourinho's late months at chelsea).
coaches always ask for some players, (unless, by a huge coincidence, the players they find at their new club are exactly those players they think they need), and rightfully so. afterall their jobs are always on the line, so they obviously wanna be put in the best conditions to deliver (and keep that job).
and also your second statement is not correct ("
first u win then u can ask for the players u want"). again this is not how it works. benitez won some pretty prestigious trophies in his carreer, and yet he was given nothing by moratti last season. absolutely nothing.
then in jannuary leonardo steps in. unlike benitez, leonardo has never won anything in his carreer... and yet he was given every player he asked for, no matter how expensive it was to sign them.
the truth is, as a coach, u don't have to earn your president's trust.... it was that very same president who chose u... he was the one who picked u, so now it's his obligation to put u in the best conditions to do your job.
of course u might say "
yeah but moratti wasn't really excited by gasperini... it was more of a branca's decision".... and that's probably true.... but it doesn't change the fact that moratti is the club owner and the president... it's his signature on the contracts... this is moratti's club, not branca's club. so he's responsible for signing gasperini. moratti knew gasperini's signature is a high tempo football, he knew gasperini needs dynamic players with enough quality to keep the ball on the ground and at least 2 wingers. moratti also knew inter had none of those... and yet he decided not to commit himself (financially) to gasperini's project.
well this was the obvious result of moratti's mistakes. and that's exactly what he deserves.
u don't have to "win first", in order to deserve the players u need to play your football. hell, u can't even play your football without the players u need, how are u supposed to prove yourself (nevermind winning).
so i guess i gotta disagree with u here man. i really don't think u have any reason to be disappointed in gasperini. u should be disappointed in the people who run this club.
gasperini found himself in a very ugly situation, paying for other people's mistakes and having to deal with the frustration that comes with having your first (and maybe only) chance at a top club and not being able to deliver because your president and the general manager are 2 apocalyptic idiots.......
and yet he handled this situation (and all the heat that came from it) with such class and style.
if anything i respect gasperini even more than i did before.
The beast that is inter. Only we can go from treble winners to losing 4 of our first 6 games...
But yeah that Del Piero penalty was soo wrong.
