Coaching in a manipulated online game?
Ummm wut? Are you intentionally misinterpreting everything you saw in motion?How in the fuck does that clip look good to you? All around the 0:07-0:08 mark:
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So in stage 1, you get to some strange position where the ball is between you both. In stage 2, opponent player starts to inexplicably run to the side away from the ball. In stage 3 – definitely the best stage! – your player actively runs to the side and away from the ball to follow the player who went walkies before him. And then in stage 4 he's back to the ball (having remembered it) and clear in space.
That wasn't some spectacular dummy. It was pure bollocks
You can just about see what they're trying to code there, in terms of a dummy, but the implementation of it is terrible and it doesn't relate to the actual "1 on 1" that's on the pitch. Just a canned dummy animation with a rubbish trigger.
Uhmm what? Are you intentionally misinterpreting everything you saw in motion, and showing it in static screenshots to make a false point?How in the fuck does that clip look good to you? All around the 0:07-0:08 mark:
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So in stage 1, you get to some strange position where the ball is between you both. In stage 2, opponent player starts to inexplicably run to the side away from the ball. In stage 3 – definitely the best stage! – your player actively runs to the side and away from the ball to follow the player who went walkies before him. And then in stage 4 he's back to the ball (having remembered it) and clear in space.
That wasn't some spectacular dummy. It was pure bollocks
You can just about see what they're trying to code there, in terms of a dummy, but the implementation of it is terrible and it doesn't relate to the actual "1 on 1" that's on the pitch. Just a canned dummy animation with a rubbish trigger.
You mean when Firmino stopped the ball with his left foot to push it to the left before the Arsenal player tackles him?
Well, he tackled Firmino and has been pushed to the right by the force of his own lunge towards Firmino. The turn away was excessive, I agree. But that's not what I was referencing in these clips. I was referencing Firmino's ability to stop and control the ball and his dribble direction in such close quarters, something we couldn't do so easily in PES.
Umm, what? He's not 'actively running' anywhere. In the actual video you can clearly see he was pushed a little to the side by the tackle. The ball moved away to the left because Firmino pushed it to the left before the tackle.
Both the clip and why I was showing it were clear in the post.
Ummm wut? Are you intentionally misinterpreting everything you saw in motion?
Uhmm what? Are you intentionally misinterpreting everything you saw in motion, and showing it in static screenshots to make a false point?
Here's the clip again for reference:
You mean when Firmino stopped the ball with his left foot to push it to the left before the Arsenal player tackles him?
Well, he tackled Firmino and has been pushed to the right by the force of his own lunge towards Firmino. The turn away was excessive, I agree. But that's not what I was referencing in these clips. I was referencing Firmino's ability to stop and control the ball and his dribble direction in such close quarters, something we couldn't do so easily in PES.
Umm, what? He's not 'actively running' anywhere. In the actual video you can clearly see he was pushed a little to the side by the tackle. The ball moved away to the left because Firmino pushed it to the left before the tackle.
Not sure why you're doing this honestly
Good spot, I didn't see that.
I was just scrolling back through the thread looking for something and came across an argument (one of many) I was having with people on here who insisted that the "New Football Game" release was actually "just a stress test"
I'm sorry can you point again what's the problem with Mendy bursting into the empty space?
I don't think it's something any of us will be able to point you to, since we're looking at the same thing you are – it's just you look at that open space and see reward, and we look at it and think: what terrible programming. As for "each has a man he's tracking" and "one defender even leaves" another player unmarked... wow: welcome to the modern football press, where everyone stays attached to a man and maybe one player might leave to go and do a half-hearted press.
)Not only is this criticism relevant to your clip, it's relevant to eFootball as a whole, and to PES going back years also. I'm sorry you don't think that there's anything "actually wrong" in how this game simulates defensive principles in football.
I don't think it's something any of us will be able to point you to, since we're looking at the same thing you are – it's just you look at that open space and see reward, and we look at it and think: what terrible programming. As for "each has a man he's tracking" and "one defender even leaves" another player unmarked... wow: welcome to the modern football press, where everyone stays attached to a man and maybe one player might leave to go and do a half-hearted press.
This is just not how space is compressed in real life in most top-flight games across Europe. The back lines here are acres apart; the AI back line is broken needlessly when Mendy gets into space; teams in real life do not generally stick to man-marking principles; midfield congestion is actually a thing in real life too.
What's clearly worsened it here – something @manmachine pointed out and I had failed to see at first – is the 2 red cards. Maybe that's why there's basically no defending and no midfield. (But for that reason also it just doesn't look to a lot of us as very rewarding to have found that space
The point is also that it's a more general problem in this game (not confined to your match), and that it was a massive problem in PES too. Some people lauded recent PES games as the epitome of realism, but it's this complete lack of care for real tactics, shapes, and patterns that sticks out like a sore thumb for the rest of us.
That's also why this point is petty and unfounded:
Not only is this criticism relevant to your clip, it's relevant to eFootball as a whole, and to PES going back years also. I'm sorry you don't think that there's anything "actually wrong" in how this game simulates defensive principles in football.
I'm not alone in pointing this out either, to others here also the problem is glaring:
I did too once I really sat down and learned the mechanics. Look, it takes a lot. You have to manage your back-line depth with the D-Pad, use your A/D levels, and know when to use the 2nd man press button. It's not perfect by any means as the AI CBs still get a bit too wide and allow runners right down the middle but instead of tight marking attackers I've been tight marking midfielders to prevent the link up pass.
Yep. I too have match up linked to the pass button, and it's becoming clearer that I should have linked it to L2 but years and years of intercepting with the pass button made it very difficult to get used to that.
It’s possible. I do it with L2, which is also my shielding button. Cover lanes. Press L2 and stick a leg out.
OHhhhhhhhh
yes. Don’t hold it. You can… bet let go and press it short time and stick a leg out. It’s like with the shielding. You have to press the button at the correct time to get the butt out. Like a mini game.
