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Manchester United Thread

Aboutreika18 said:
At which point do you start pointing the finger at the manager?

A good manager makes a team better than the sum of their parts. We've gone from the ridiculous to ludicrous this season.

Dire football, non-existent midfield, shaky defence, over-reliance on an 18 year old clearly not ready to play 50 games a season, over-reliance on Wayne Rooney's set-pieces, etc.

This team has required a serious rebuilding for a couple of seasons and David Moyes is not the right man to be in control of that transition.
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I just keep telling myself it can't get any worse, and then it is.

We don't even try to pass it out of defence anymore. I posted a few weeks ago that in every major metric you use to measure football we're worse under Moyes. And the past 6 matches we've gotten worse in all of them.

Out passed, out-pressed, out-fought, out-thought and out of the cup.

I'd like to give Moyes the benefit of the doubt, but what has he done to us?
 
When the going gets tough, it gets tougher.

At least we won again in "regular" game time. It's a start.
 
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beachryan said:
Thank God for that. I'm genuinely relieved at not having to face City in the final.

This team is an absolute embarrassment to Manchester United. The quality of football is abject and getting worse every week. We were outplayed by Sunderland, at home, in a cup semi-final. Had less than 40% possession at one point.

Every week I think it can't get any worse, and every week it does. I can't even fault the effort of most, but they're so woefully not good enough. Carrick is a shadow of himself, and likely out for a long time again. Fletcher is half the player he once was, and Welbeck/Hernandez/Kagawa/Valencia look like pub players.

Only good thing was that the back 4 actually looked pretty good, and when all you ask Chris Smalling to do is defend (and not try to play actual football) he can do it pretty well.
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and who bought those players? who didnt keep pogba happy? How about that lad rossi.. Must have been the glazers who told those players to fuck off. I cant blame him for fletcher, life got the best of him. But United got the worst of most of those buys
 
Fergie screwed up on Pogba big time. Young Fergie would never have done that, but I think in his final years SAF tried to take a stand against agents, and Rainola is pretty much the lowest of the scum. Only explanation I can come up with.

Rossi wouldn't have gotten a match when he left. Saha, Rooney and RVP were better than him. I can't blame Fergie for that. Plus the poor American/Italian clearly has some rather large knee problems :(

Fergie definitely left a squad with holes in it, but the XI players who started for us tonight are better than the XI that started for Sunderland. But they have no confidence, no game plan and no idea what to do with each other. So we lost.

Credit to Sunderland, they outfought us. They had one shot on target in the whole match, which you or I could have saved. It's that kind of season.
 
Aboutreika18 said:
At which point do you start pointing the finger at the manager?

A good manager makes a team better than the sum of their parts. We've gone from the ridiculous to ludicrous this season.

Dire football, non-existent midfield, shaky defence, over-reliance on an 18 year old clearly not ready to play 50 games a season, over-reliance on Wayne Rooney's set-pieces, etc.

This team has required a serious rebuilding for a couple of seasons and David Moyes is not the right man to be in control of that transition.
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I made my feelings clear post the FA Cup exit, no point being a parrot and saying it after every disappointment (which seems to be nearly every game) and I think its getting clearer by every performance.

However taking the positives, looks like we've got Mata coming in which in all honesty is a great signing, arguably the best player other than Van Persie and Bale last year.

Hopefully we can add a midfielder, because we need it short term anyway.
 
Agreed on Rossi knee problem bit that guy is clearly would have been the third best forward united could have had behind RVP and Rooney
 
It was confirmed on Sky earlier, Medical in the morning 37M. Worth it though considering how good he was last season.
 
Chelsea are dumb. Brilliant signing for Utd

The press love Mourinho for his off the field entertainment but on it he's so dull and selling Mata only underlines this.

Watch a Mata-inspired rejuvenated Utd go onto now take points off Arsenal and City and hand the title to the Dull One. :ROLL:
 
Godotelli said:
Chelsea are dumb. Brilliant signing for Utd

The press love Mourinho for his off the field entertainment but on it he's so dull and selling Mata only underlines this.

Watch a Mata-inspired rejuvenated Utd go onto now take points off Arsenal and City and hand the title to the Dull One. :ROLL:
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Now I see what's he done.
 
Godotelli said:
Chelsea are dumb. Brilliant signing for Utd

The press love Mourinho for his off the field entertainment but on it he's so dull and selling Mata only underlines this.

Watch a Mata-inspired rejuvenated Utd go onto now take points off Arsenal and City and hand the title to the Dull One. :ROLL:
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Its hard to argue with that logic. Always the tactician that guy.
 
Godotelli said:
Chelsea are dumb. Brilliant signing for Utd

The press love Mourinho for his off the field entertainment but on it he's so dull and selling Mata only underlines this.

Watch a Mata-inspired rejuvenated Utd go onto now take points off Arsenal and City and hand the title to the Dull One. :ROLL:
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So I guess hes smarter than you just made out, without even mentioning the fact he's probably got a deal with us for Rooney in the summer.
 
Godotelli said:
Chelsea are dumb. Brilliant signing for Utd

The press love Mourinho for his off the field entertainment but on it he's so dull and selling Mata only underlines this.

Watch a Mata-inspired rejuvenated Utd go onto now take points off Arsenal and City and hand the title to the Dull One. :ROLL:
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The exact words from Wenger this morning.. Let's see how Mou response to Wenger's jibe.
 
I've been harping on about how the loan system is exactly the same issue. Didn't hear Wenger chip on about that.

Why should only 18 teams play against Everton with Lukaku, and 1 not have to? Similarly Barry? Adebayor last season at Spurs?

The window should only be open until the season starts, than used for emergencies only (new keeper, that's it).
 
P. S. It's funny how Liverpool continues to be left out of the equation when discussing any potential impact this might have on the winner of this year's PL
 
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beachryan said:
I've been harping on about how the loan system is exactly the same issue. Didn't hear Wenger chip on about that.

Why should only 18 teams play against Everton with Lukaku, and 1 not have to? Similarly Barry? Adebayor last season at Spurs?

The window should only be open until the season starts, than used for emergencies only (new keeper, that's it).
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http://youtu.be/Y-11qsJLW8U
 
Won't believe it til I see him grimacing next to Moyes.

Carrick out for at least another month apparently. This is the future:

-------------De Gea-------------
-Rafa----Smalling--Evans--Evra--
--------Mata----Kagawa----------
--Nani-------Rooney----Janujaz--
--------------RVP---------------

what could go wrong?
 
beachryan said:
Won't believe it til I see him grimacing next to Moyes.

Carrick out for at least another month apparently. This is the future:

-------------De Gea-------------
-Rafa----Smalling--Evans--Evra--
--------Mata----Kagawa----------
--Nani-------Rooney----Janujaz--
--------------RVP---------------

what could go wrong?
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Gundogan or Vidal not signing? ;)
 
dplane said:
P. S. It's funny how Liverpool continues to be left out of the equation when discussing any potential impact this might have on the winner of this year's PL
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Why? I don't think anyone genuinely believes Liverpool are in for the title this season. Most genuine Liverpool fans said at the start of the season that the goal was to get back in Europe and hopefully challenge the top 4, anything on top of that is a huge bonus.

I read last night that Moyes didn't take responsibility for the penalties, instead "the players decided amongst themselves who was taking them", for me that's a ridiculous way to run things, he's completely shirked his responsibility at a crucial time. It's baffling really, especially as he wrote this in 2010:

"In a good team you win together and you lose together. The penalty shootout is the loneliest experience in football and the trick is to make participants feel they are less on their own.
The players taking spot-kicks need to know that responsibility does not weigh solely on their shoulders but is shared, and the same goes for your goalkeeper.
As a manager, you can take pressure off your men by making yourself accountable for success and failure.
You'd never go up on stage without an act so I think if you walk up to take a penalty, or stand between the posts attempting to save one, you should have a clear idea about what you're going to do.
This is where the manager and the sharing of responsibility comes in and how he prepares his team is key."
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The only mitigation I have for that is that our penalty takers are, in order:
RVP
Rooney
Nani
Giggs
Carrick

As was shown last night ;)
 
If he had any foresight, he would have brought on Young instead of Valencia and Giggs instead of Jones to at least have some competent penalty takers on the pitch in the event it goes to penalties, as it did.
 
We need more than Mata though, hopefully were still searching for one midfielder or a LB before the window closes.
 
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