Serie A Thread - 2014/15 Season

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really!? so the co-ownership deal is something new? i thought inter already co-owned the player before last season. thanks for the info mate :))
ernestito said:
hey guys, do you know when the fixture for the new season will be drawn? I want to book my vacation depending on the dates as I want to see Palermo live.
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sorry buddy, got no idea.

btw big news fellas... zdenek zeman is back in business!!! :BOP::BOP::BOP:
foggia just hired him (with a very amarcord move, as zeman became a legend in foggia 23 years ago).
today foggia plays in lega pro prima divisione (formerly known as serie C1).... but hopefully the genius will do his magic and bring the team back in serie b.

... and hopefully he'll get a job in serie a in a few years. if a coach like zeman would get back where he belongs (to top class football), that would instantly improve the quality of serie a as a whole.

for those who still have doubts, yes, i'm a huge fan of zeman...... as everyone who's ever watched his teams playing.....or even just listened to him
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wellcome back maestro :WORSHIP::WORSHIP::WORSHIP::WORSHIP::WORSHIP:

rfu mate, if u're reading this, don't worry, i didn't forget about your requests (sacchi and english written football books). this week end i'm quite confident i'll have enough free time to reply to u with a pm. ;)
 
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When asked for his reaction to claims that Balotelli is leaving, Inter defender Ivan Cordoba said: “Balotelli is doing crazy things and he doesn't understand what he wants. If he has important offers, I'd advise him to have a change of scene so he can find new motivations, which he doesn't seem to have now.”

La Gazzetta understands that his team-mates are prepared to abandon him.

Balotelli apparently never arrives early for training, nor does he stay late, suggesting that he doesn't have a relationship with Inter's other players.
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35 million is good money, and no matter how good Mario becomes, I still think it's the right decision to sell him. I would've preferred a loan (to Palermo for example) because it seems he's rather adamant on 1st team football which he won't get under Rafa. I also hear that Rafa isn't unimpressed with Mario's behavior thus far in regards to his attitude and focus.

I really wonder what's going through Mario's head though. The weather in Manchester is shit plus they're not going to win anything for a good while yet. Inter have plenty to play for, successive championships (I want that 2nd star), Super Cups, World Club Cup, 2nd UCL trophy.... I see another "Robinho" with Mario and Man C. The fans won't stand for his shit and he won't be surrounded by what he knows... I blame Raiola because clearly he's only looking to make more money. But where's Mario's family in all this? Mario needs a some kind of father figure or big brother to to give him some guidance and direction. Instead he's wondering around aimlessly giving the finger to everyone.

Wonder how that will affect Mario's international career. Anyway, Inter management have played their cards right on this one, putting the harmony at the club first before any one player. And Mario, no matter is goal scoring and assist record, hasn't exactly been decisive for us (contrast with Maicon who is valued also at 30 million). We have a good momentum going, and with Jugay and Milan still on life support, we shouldn't, in any way, jeopardize what we have achieved thus far. Also from what I hear Mario is a bad influence for our other youngsters (see RQ7 and Arnautovic). We want to build a future around COutino, Santon and Ranocchia. Mario's our sacrificial lamb, I'm afraid. Can't say he will be missed, too much drama for my liking. Talent is nothing without the work you put behind it. I hope he learns that soon.
 
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Zeem said:
We were after him last year but he was valued around 30 mill. Don't expect anything this year also. :( Our most creative player is about to leave for Flamengo and I hope we go for Ganso with that non-EU spot but that's just fantasy. We'll probably just end up with Mancini. :D
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Ganso + Pato
You guys know what this "means"?
 
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2 things are pretty clear after cordoba's interview, imo.

the first one is that mario MUST leave. at this point it doesn't even matter what moratti, branca or even benitez think. when the team isolates a player like this, there's no turning back.
yeah i know, that's not the first time an inter player publicly blames balotelli, but that's the first time it happens after mourinho's departure. up until mourinho was in charge, inter players' comments had to be interpretated differently (a player usually doesn't contradict his coach)..... but now there's no mourinho anymore... therefore josè has nothing to do with cordoba's comment..... therefore the obvious consequence is that balotelli's presence in the dressing room is not accepted anymore by his teammates.
and when this situation occurs, there's really no other choice than selling the player (as rfu said, it doesn't matter how good the player is.... that's a matter of dressing room balance).

the second thing that comes into my mind reading that comment, is that there are some serious hierarchies issues at inter.
a player should NEVER say such things about one of his teammates in front of a microphone, NEVER! it doesn't matter how much of a problem balotelli is. cordoba is not allowed to talk like this. that's unacceptable.

the dressing room hierarchy and the club's hierarchy are 2 separate things. inside the dressing room cordoba is a "more important" element than mario. cordoba is older, he has more experience and he's one of the dressing room leaders. so he can certainly blame balotelli inside the dressing room.

but outside the dressing room, cordoba is an inter employee just like balotelli. according to the club's hierarchies, cordoba and balotelli are exactly on the same level. both of them are employees, none of them is a director and none of em is allowed to talk on the club's behalf. cordoba shouldn't be allowed to talk like this. branca can, moratti can..... a player cannot!
if the whole team doesn't want mario anymore, then the captain (zanetti) should meet moratti and tell him "mario has become too much of a problem. no one wants him here anymore. so, for the sake of the team as a whole, i suggest u to get rid of him"
that's how things should go.

what's more worriyng is that this is not even the first time. other players (i remember only materazzi, but other players did that too) already did this last season.
if cordoba would have been the first inter player to act like this, then i wouldn't worry about it, as i would think "ok now branca is gonna scold him and warn the rest of the team not to blame any other teammates in public anymore".
but since this is not the first time, that means that the club didn't react when materazzi did the same thing last year (otherwise cordoba wouldn't have repeated the same mistake).
that is a serious management issue. it must always be very clear in the players' minds that they're not in charge in the club. and if the club doesn't react when a player does what cordoba did (or what materazzi did last season), then u're sending a very dangerous message to your players. this is not good management AT ALL.
whenever an inter player complains about balotelli in front of a microphone, inter loses leverage on a possible negotiation. every possible buyer now knows mario is not wanted by his teammates and cordoba's interview alone decreased mario's value on the market and inter's bargaining power. this is not acceptable.

rfu said:
But where's Mario's family in all this? Mario needs a some kind of father figure or big brother to to give him some guidance and direction. Instead he's wondering around aimlessly giving the finger to everyone.
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exactly! mourinho sure made some mistakes with mario... but that's nothing compared to the huge mistakes his family is making. his mother, his father and his brother shouldn't defend him "no matter what". they should discipline him.... and clearely they're not.
i don't think raiola is to blame in this case. he's clearely a cunt, but mario had issues even before raiola became his agent. his family instead is responsible just as much as mario himself.
lukas_rod said:
Ganso + Pato
You guys know what this "means"?
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actually not :P what does this mean? to be fair i know pretty much nothing about Ganso. :))
 
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I don't know Ganso anymore than you do but a lot of fuss is going about him implementing he will be a lot better than Kaka. Every once in a while this happens, hell Kierrison was tipped to be the next Ronaldo but Ganso seems a great player and Cafu actually advised Milan not to miss out on him but for some reason we will keep relying on Seedorf forever. Strangely not many rumors and speculation going around him. Any idea why lukas?

As for Balotelli, well doesn't Mancini know the player? He knows what he will be dealing with and once said he never had a problem with him. Actually every once in a while a former coach comes and says he never had a problem with Balotelli. His ego must have grown a lot last year. Papers say he will be replaced by Rossi.
 
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So Preziosi said on tv that Miguel Veloso will probably be the next Genoa signing. I'm loving the fact that they're managing to sign some 'big name' players for under £15m. Now they've signed Ziculini, Toni, Eduoardo, Palladino (2nd half), Criscito (2nd half) and soon Veloso. If they can click well, I think the Genoa v Palermo v Sampdoria v Fiorentina v Napoli fight will be crazy!!!!!!!
 
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I believe Ganso means 'goose' and Pato means 'duck', which is pretty funny. Not sure if that's where lukas was going with that though.
 
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Milanista said:
So Preziosi said on tv that Miguel Veloso will probably be the next Genoa signing. I'm loving the fact that they're managing to sign some 'big name' players for under £15m. Now they've signed Ziculini, Toni, Eduoardo, Palladino (2nd half), Criscito (2nd half) and soon Veloso. If they can click well, I think the Genoa v Palermo v Sampdoria v Fiorentina v Napoli fight will be crazy!!!!!!!
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And they'll have Ranocchia next year as well :)
 
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Of course! On paper their team is very robust - they got a very good player per position.

Was also looking at Catania's attack: 9 Antenucci, 7 Mascara, 11 Maxi Lopez, 15 Morimoto.

I think that is very impressive. Antenucci scored 24 goals in Serie B last year, where as Maxi Lopez has been crazy good since joining.
 
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rfU said:
Also from what I hear Mario is a bad influence for our other youngsters (see RQ7 and Arnautovic).
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Did you see this?
YouTube - siparietto balotelli - Arnautovic.mp4
Arnautovic is a natural idiot (he's still a kid inside), I doubt Balotelli had an influence on him, maybe can be the contrary (I mean Arnautovic was already an idiot when he came to Inter). But some gossip news reported the influence of Mario with Santon.

lo zio said:
but since this is not the first time, that means that the club didn't react when materazzi did the same thing last year (otherwise cordoba wouldn't have repeated the same mistake).
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Ben, the fact is you are talking about Cordoba and Materazzi, two veterans of Inter, for example not Thiago Motta or Chivu. The management didn't take action against them because they are columns of Inter and maybe future Inter managers after their retirements (like Figo or Toldo), IMO this can be the only reasonable opinion.
 
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Zeem said:
I don't know Ganso anymore than you do but a lot of fuss is going about him implementing he will be a lot better than Kaka. Every once in a while this happens, hell Kierrison was tipped to be the next Ronaldo but Ganso seems a great player and Cafu actually advised Milan not to miss out on him but for some reason we will keep relying on Seedorf forever. Strangely not many rumors and speculation going around him. Any idea why lukas?
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Ganso is pretty good but i don't know if he will be better than Kaká. The team who wants to buy him will have to pay 30 million euros to terminate the contract.

The fact is: Brasileirão is becoming even more competitive (after 10 rounds Ceará is the 3rd. he was in the 2nd division last year :SHOCK:) and clubs will do everything to keep their key players

vasilios said:
I believe Ganso means 'goose' and Pato means 'duck', which is pretty funny. Not sure if that's where lukas was going with that though.
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exactly
 
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Big fan of Zeman here too.

Remember his Lecce team a few years back!? Damn... they were good to watch!!

To see him managing in 3rd division though... wow! :CONFUSE:

vasilios said:
I believe Ganso means 'goose' and Pato means 'duck', which is pretty funny. Not sure if that's where lukas was going with that though.
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:D
 
Re: Serie A Thread - 2010/11 Season

Just watched the Juve v Lyon friendly on Sky and I was very impressed with Juve. It has been a whole year of Juve playing football with no motivation and no fight. Now we have every player giving their best and they all want the ball. It's great to see all of the team gel together, especially the new players like Motta and Martinez! I was extremely impressed with Motta's continuous running throughout the game until he was subbed, and he some very good dribbling skill. Moreover, the defense, midfield and attack all connect well together and Sissoko and Marchisio are working very well.

A lot of speculation surrounding Diego right now after Del Neri's comments but I think he will stay, his assist for Pepe in yesterdays game was art and he played a very good game with a lot of energy and personality.

I think this is one of the best Juve's I've seen in a long time and I hope that we don't get to tired for the Serie A. It will be interesting to see if Del Neri will attempt the Europa League or not.
 
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lo zio said:
the second thing that comes into my mind reading that comment, is that there are some serious hierarchies issues at inter.
a player should NEVER say such things about one of his teammates in front of a microphone, NEVER! it doesn't matter how much of a problem balotelli is. cordoba is not allowed to talk like this. that's unacceptable.
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Who says? And i'm not sure what you mean by "serious hierarchal" issues, Cordoba is vice captain, he's our longest serving player after Zanetti. Although his words were harsh, I think he was talking on behalf of the team. Plus he rarely even he speaks to the media and is never controversial. There must've been a team consensus and everyone must've been behind cordoba. If it wasn't the case someone would've spoken out against him or he would've been reprimanded. Personally i think it was a good thing because i was growing tired of the "ooh Mario is a victim, poor Mario, he's had such a hard life..." :LOL: Such bollocks. Besides, Cordoba is very supportive and helpful to the other youngsters (so to is Materazzi hence why they've been earmarked as potential coaches in the near future). You're right about Cordoba's remarks possibly affecting Mario's value price, although apparently not because not only has he managed to get the 4 million/season he wants, but Man C are giving us 30 million plus bonuses. It's a shame though. Such a waste. Unlike most Inter fans I'm hoping all goes well for Mario in England. Although I seriously doubt it. The Brits gave Le Sulk and Robinho a hard time, players like Bellamy and El Hadj Diouf are not appreciated, Mario's as bad if not worse.... the writings on the wall. All in all, good luck. Enter Coutinho :P
 
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hello!

im looking for a website where i could find the Serie A budgets for the 2009-2010 season, to know precisely which clubs borrow money to stay in the positive, etc etc..

(im also searching for three other championships, France, England, and Spain).

if someone can help me, it would be great.

i think both milan teams have budget problems, no?
the specialists might be able to tell me!!
 
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sage_tsm said:
i think both milan teams have budget problems, no?
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No, thanks to spanish money waster (Barca and Real) last year both Milano teams started what Platini calls "financial fair play": spend less money than how much money you gain.

Actually the only Serie A with huge budget problem is Roma, but the main reason is that a bank is controling them so they can't spend money because the bank is searching for a buyer, so in the meantime the bank don't want to spend money (do you know how banks works, no?). The result was last year they spent zero euro, and this year their only luck will be to sell some players (Julio Er Barista, Doni, Mexes) to have the money to buy another one (hoping the bank will not steal that money).

The other Serie A teams are almost all ok. But "ok" means they have only a few milions to spend (except Juventus) so their economy is related to sales (for example Palermo) and loans.
 
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I think it is the Corsican team, I guess it's maybe a rivalry between Corsica and Sardinia - but I thought the Corsicans were big rivals with the mainland (France).
 
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Juventus 1-0 first half against Shamrock for the Europa League qualifier. Funny how the Irish commentator said "Juventus are always cheating" and said this after Shamrock's player did not give the ball back.. (not cheating but no fair play). Anyway good first half, and very impressed with Diego + Amauri.
 
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Milanista said:
What a goal :| I think Man City have become my new most hated team. Did Super Mario play?
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No, erm, he had a "muscular problem" whatever that means :LOL: Wonder what he thought of his soon-to-be team's performance :PIG:
 
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