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No one knows. Right now Gary Cook is meeting with our administration. Nothing official has come out. All we know is that 300+ fans were protesting outside Milan's HQ today.
 
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Take away goals from Ronaldo and you just get an above average player like he is this season. He's never gonna score that many goals again in a season. The only time he's really been outstanding was the 2007/08 run in. His goal tally last season was amazing no doubt but he sacrificed the rest of his game to a point and now this season for whatever reason (change of formation, injury, wanting to leave?) he's been poor by his own standards.

United do not revolve around him where as Milan do around Kaka (correct me if i'm wrong). I'd put Kaka and Messi ahead of Cristiano but of course these things are kinda pointless to argue about.
 
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20.00 -Kakà si è affacciato da una finestra del suo appartamento per salutare i tifosi. Con la maglia rossonera in mano si è battuto il petto per tre volte. Tifosi in delirio mentre la trattativa prosegue a oltranza.

"Kaka appeared out of a window at his apartment to salute the fans. He had the Milan shirt in one hand and his other hand patting his heart three times. The fans were cheering. Meanwhile, the negotiations continue.":CRY:
 
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As a fan of Serie A, I don't want to see Kaka leave. It's good that Milan fans are protesting at the idiotic management's decision to open negotiations with Manchester Arabia. I don't think the protesting is enough to send a message. Milan fans should be rioting in the streets and setting shit on fire if they want to send a message.
 
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I wasn't being serious. :P

Realistically, I don't think anything Milan fans do is going to sway Galliani and Co. They seem determined to cash in on Kaka by selling to Manchester Arabia while they're still interested.

There's still hope for Milan fans though because Kaka does have the final decision and he can snub them if he wants to...
 
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The only reason they're considering this is because we need the money. Big clubs these days have debt that needs covering, and losing out on CL money really hit us hard. The transfer sum from Kaka won't be used fully for transfers.
 
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Yeah I thought it was silly when I read Milan need the money to cover some debts. I would be pissed as a fan if your team just recieved 100 million(which could help Milan retool their squad, specifically bring in some quality defenders)for selling a world class player and didn't turn right around and start buying some players. Berlusconi doesn't pump anymore cash into the club? Or did I miss something and Berlusconi is not so involved with the club anymore? I can never recall Milan ever having any financial worries so it surprised me I heard Milan were considering selling Kaka because they need the cash to cover debts.
 
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Most likely. All the meeting will be held tonight.

What the fans are doing is really nice. Kaka is a symbol. If Milan want money, then sell Ronaldinho, Borriello, Gourccuf, even Pirlo I don't care but keep the most loyal player. He is a match changer and in case he leaves Milan will turn upside down.
 
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I feel for the guy, hes been with us through thick and thin. Known, like our captain, as a symbol for the club. Who always openly and honestly said he wants to grow old and retire playing for Milan.

I wouldnt wish this to happen to any fan who whole-heartedly supports their club... :CRY:

Like what Milanista said, the feeling is like something grave has happened, like someone died.

Non Si Vende Kakà!!! :RANT:
 
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Basically Milan and City have an agreement of around £117m and around £16m for Kaka. The only thing left is Kaka's Yes or No. He also has a release clause if the 'project' fails. ie. Relegation, no CL by 2011.
 
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AT LAST! Stupid Arabs trying to ruin football! GO F*** YOURSELVES YOU RICH CUNTS!!!
Thank god that there are still players that love a club, not all of them are gold diggers!
I don't support Milan in the Serie A but you just saved the world of football by denying an undeniable bet on a class player!
 
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Good on you for keeping hold of Kaka :D

Good to see City being told that money can't buy loyalty, well played Milan and Kaka :D

Neoexodus's post is spot on.
 
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:D GET IN! :LOL: Kaka obviously knew a move there would jeperdize his real dream move ;))
 
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Haha the Man City website - "The discussions reached only a preliminary stage and the player was not involved at any time. No commercial terms were framed."

Well, all of Italy and the prime minister of Italy say that the fee was all agreed and such, but Kaka said no. There was never any interest in going to City. Nice escape route Cook ;)

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Is that what they're singing? The same tune as the 'Follow follow follow, cos United are going to moscow' chant?
 
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I'm not too sure how that goes, but loads of football chants follow the same tune.

Check this out... this is when Berlusconi's first news came out.. watch the guy with the moustache. Literally, the host goes "Be quiet so we can hear..." - he replies "I WONT SHUT UP, I'M TOO HAPPY". You might also recognize him from the Milan 3-2 Inter game going mental.

YouTube - PROCESSO DI BISCARDI : BERLUSCONI ANNUNCIA CHE KAKA' RIMANE (HQ) VERSIONE INTEGRALE
 
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AT LAST! Stupid Arabs trying to ruin football! GO F*** YOURSELVES YOU RICH CUNTS!!!
Thank god that there are still players that love a club, not all of them are gold diggers!
I don't support Milan in the Serie A but you just saved the world of football by denying an undeniable bet on a class player!

I do agree with what you say about players that love a club (see also Milito and Genoa which is even more impressive).
I do not agree with the begining of your reaction...the same can be said about Berlusconi in the '80's, about the Agnelli's in Turin, about Ramon Calderon (or Franco) in Madrid, about the Glazier's (and the United owners before them), and about every rich football owner (and to own a football club one must be rich).

Basically i think that it's good for football that new big clubs emerge. What is wrong about Man City is that the emirs from Abu Dhabi want to rush things....

But let's not fool ourselves the Milan and the Man United are also very, very rich...now and then there is a fairy tale like Porto winning the CL due to a generation of extremely gifter players, but that is a big exception and it never lasts because those gifted players are bought by the real big clubs (cfr. Porto).

To conclude: i'm happy for Italian football and for the Milan fans that Kaka stays. I'm not a Milan or Kaka fan, but i think he's the best player in the world (until Messi will get a litle bit older that is...) and i love Italian football...
 
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i have to admit it was quite a moving scene. the fans singing for kaka (from the afternoon to late night) on the street, right in front of his home. Kakà appearing at the window (it looked like the pope!) to show his gratitude, crying, holding his nr.22 shirt... jeez... it almost made me think about "Romeo and Giulietta"!

let me tell u a story.
during the '60s there was this young promising italian striker. he was born in '44 in a little village in the "deep north" of italy. he was bought by cagliari when he was 20.
The first impact with cagliari was very tough for him. he was the typical northern italian. Very quiet, polite, extremely shy and moderate. cagliari instead is the typical southern city. it's noisy, passionate and warm. no wonder this little kid didn't find himself at home there (a couple of years ago, in an interview, he said "at the beginning i tought - good Lord what have i done!. what am i doing here".

well eventually the kid grew up, dropped his armour and opened his heart to cagliari people. he litterally fell in love with cagliari.
and he grew up also from a professional point of view, as he became a world class foward... actually more than this... he became the 2nd best striker in the world... just one step behind Pelè (pelè himself once admitted "maybe i had a bit more technique than him, but he was a better overall foward")
he was serie a's cannoniere (top scorer) for 3 years in a row. and even though cagliari wasn't really a top club those days (it was a mid class team wich used to play some top class football..... pretty much as today's cagliari), he was able to lead his little team to the scudetto. with our national team he won the european championship in '68 and lost the world cup final against pele's brazil (arguably the best brazil team ever) in '70.
with italy's shirt he played 42 matches, scoring 35 goals (wich means a goal-per-matches ratio of 0.83!!!!).... no need to say it's italy's all time record.

so no wonder if the top clubs were looking for him. Juventus in '74 made a huge bid for him... the club just couldn't say "no" coz their star player became just too good to stay in cagliari.....
but surprisingly it was the lad himself the one who said "no". the bond with cagliari became just too strong, and he couldn't leave "his people" anymore.

that player was Gigi Riva (aka "rombo di tuono), the legendary foward, one of the greatest strikers of all times (the best one according to pele's words).

here in italy we usually call players like Riva "bandiere".
Bandiera (bandiere is the plural) means "flag". it's a metaphorical expression we use when we refer to those players who became icons for their class and their loyalty to their clubs. we use the word Bandiera to refer to the club's emblem (the italian proper translation of emblem would be "stemma", but we rather use the word bandiera). so, in a metaphorical sense, we say that those players had such a strong bond with the team, the fans, the city, they became the ideal representation of the team itself, like an emblem, a flag, a "bandiera".

till 30 years ago there were many "bandiere" around europe... today just a few clubs in the world have a real bandiera. scholes (man utd), gerrard (liverpool), raul (real madrid), del piero (juve), maldini (milan), zanetti (inter).

however some might say it's pretty easy to be a top class club's bandiera. afterall, playing in a top class club u already got access to the european competitions, u earn quite a lot of money, u have your good chances to win trophies.
so just a few bandiere have a chance to really show, to prove their loyalty through their carreers. Del piero went in serie b, rather than accepting the rich offers that other top clubs (inside and outside italy) made for him. even tough he had absolutely no responsailities, no faults at all, he payed (together with juve) for what other people did. but while juve had no other choice than "paying" (with the serie b), del piero could have easily choosen a different path (as many others did), and no one would have blamed him. but still he said "the captain doesn't leave the boat when it's sinking". :WORSHIP:

totti and de rossi had a chance to prove their loyalty too, when they refused milan (totti) and real madrid (de rossi and totti) offers.

i think now we can put kaka in the same list.

i still don't know if that was the best option for milan (unlike most of the top clubs outside italy, milan has a very little overdraft and with just 60 of those 100 millions milan would have payed all his debts), but i have to admit, it was moving .
besides the only thing that really matters is the milanisti's opinion and they seem to be extremely confident this was the best thing for milan, so, i can just be happy for them.

one thing is for sure however. after hearing what kakà said yesterday, i guess it's pretty evident he'll never leave milan... unless galliani and berlusconi will kick him out.... and now that both galliani and berlusconi have seen how the fans would react to such a thing.... i don't think they'll ever accept an offer for kakà, no matter how big it is.

anyhow guys, kaka did definitely something important. with his refusal, he proved that sometimes money is not the most important thing in football's world.... and this is good.
but still i wouldn't consider this arabian lad as some sort of a devil. sure i don't like this attitude. sure i don't think this is a the most proper way to build a team.... but afterall what he's trying to do is not different from what abramovich did a few years ago.

oh and there's one more thing we realised from this story. Deep in the milanesi soul, there's a napoletano's heart :D

Zeem said:
If Milan want money, then sell Ronaldinho, Borriello, Gourccuf, even Pirlo I don't care

i guess we will all pretend we didn't read this part Zeem :D;)

edit: i just read Gerd's post, wich, as usual, perfectly reflects my personal opinion about man city's strategies. ;)
 
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