Energia
Champions League
- 22 December 2003
no; only PS3 and PC version had a new graphic engine respect PS2 version.
PC version PES2011
The Retro-PES Corner
- Thread starter miguelfcp
- Start date
no; only PS3 and PC version had a new graphic engine respect PS2 version.
PC version PES2011
Did you ever feel that it was too fast? Or maybe that playing with mid to lower table teams felt impossible?
PES 2011 was the first PES I played, and I absolutely loved it back then. But everytime I try to go back to it it just feels unplayable because of the issues I mentioned earlier. I'm not sure if it's because I play on a patch with the latest exe/datapack now and I played the original release then.
robertob
Non-League
- 12 October 2023
It's a game of opinions I guess. It's touch and go between 2011 and PES 4 for me which I love for it's crispness and frantic end-to-end play.
I played every title on the PS2 in the last while to refresh my memory and while they are all decent, some are no less than decent while others are good to brilliant. There are pretty stark differences even from 2010 to 2011 and from 2011 to 2012, even though they all look mostly the same, they play pretty different.
PES 2011 stands out playing wise for the mentioned reasons - to me at least - it just feels right in terms of pace, dynamic, control, defending and passing and a challenging AI - if there wouldn't be the atrocious shooting, it would be the perfect PS 2 PES for me.
niceplay89
League 2
- 18 March 2020
I think we can all agree on one thing, PES/WE old game engine is the most played engine in PES/WE series by far.
Reason why is because you have such amazing variety of game styles that no other game has.
No matter how you play and what is your preferred style, you will always find some version that suits you.
The PS2-era engine used across Pro Evolution Soccer / Winning Eleven hit a rare sweet spot that later engines never fully replicated. What made it so replayed wasn’t just nostalgia — it was design flexibility.
A few reasons why that engine still stands out:
Later engines (including modern PES/eFootball) became more unified and “balanced,” but in doing so, they lost that range of identities. The PS2 era didn’t try to force one vision of football — it accidentally created many.
I mean, look at this long list, amazing:
Reason why is because you have such amazing variety of game styles that no other game has.
No matter how you play and what is your preferred style, you will always find some version that suits you.
The PS2-era engine used across Pro Evolution Soccer / Winning Eleven hit a rare sweet spot that later engines never fully replicated. What made it so replayed wasn’t just nostalgia — it was design flexibility.
A few reasons why that engine still stands out:
- Massive gameplay variety
You could go from the slower, tactical feel of PES 3–4, to the highly responsive and expressive PES 5–6, to the more physical and chaotic WE10/PES 2007 styles — all on essentially the same core engine. - Player individuality mattered
Attributes like balance, body type, weak foot, and animation bias actually shaped how players felt, not just how they rated. This made different playstyles genuinely viable. - Skill ceiling without rigidity
Whether you preferred:- patient build-up
- dribbling and 1v1 creativity
- long-ball football
- defensive mastery
…there was always some PS2-era version that rewarded that approach.
- Emergent gameplay
The engine allowed for unpredictability — awkward bounces, imperfect controls, momentum swings — which made matches feel organic rather than scripted.
Later engines (including modern PES/eFootball) became more unified and “balanced,” but in doing so, they lost that range of identities. The PS2 era didn’t try to force one vision of football — it accidentally created many.
I mean, look at this long list, amazing:
- Pro Evolution Soccer (2001)
- Pro Evolution Soccer 2 (2002)
- Pro Evolution Soccer 3 (2003)
- Pro Evolution Soccer 4 (2004)
- Pro Evolution Soccer 5 (2005)
- Pro Evolution Soccer 6 (2006)
- Pro Evolution Soccer 2007 (known as PES 6 in some regions)
- Pro Evolution Soccer 2008
- Pro Evolution Soccer 2009
- Pro Evolution Soccer 2010
- Pro Evolution Soccer 2011
- Pro Evolution Soccer 2012
- Pro Evolution Soccer 2013
- Pro Evolution Soccer 2014
- World Soccer: Winning Eleven 5 (2001)
- World Soccer: Winning Eleven 5 - Final Evolution (2001)
- World Soccer: Winning Eleven 6 (2002)
- World Soccer: Winning Eleven 6 - International
- World Soccer: Winning Eleven 6 - Final Evolution (2002)
- World Soccer: Winning Eleven 7 (2003)
- World Soccer: Winning Eleven 7 - International (2003)
- World Soccer: Winning Eleven 8 (2004)
- World Soccer: Winning Eleven 8 - International
- World Soccer: Winning Eleven 8 - Liveware Evolution (2004)
- World Soccer: Winning Eleven 9 (2005)
- World Soccer: Winning Eleven 9 - Liveware Evolution (2005)
- World Soccer: Winning Eleven 10 (2006)
- World Soccer: Winning Eleven 2010 - Aoki Samurai no Chousen
- World Soccer: Winning Eleven 2011
- World Soccer: Winning Eleven 2012
- J.League Winning Eleven 5 (2001)
- J.League Winning Eleven 6 (2002)
- J.League Winning Eleven 7 (2003)
- J.League Winning Eleven 8: Asia Championship (2004)
- J.League Winning Eleven 9: Asia Championship (2005)
- J.League Winning Eleven 10: Europa League 06-07 (2006)
- J.League Winning Eleven 2007 Club Championship
- J.League Winning Eleven 2008 Club Championship
- J.League Winning Eleven 2009 Club Championship
- J.League Winning Eleven 2010 Club Championship
- K-League Winning Eleven 9 Asia Championship
bism04
Non-League
- 26 February 2026
It is PC versions?
- Staff
- #18,756
Yes.
Energia
Champions League
- 22 December 2003
Don't be angry with me,
I'm sorry, but... I'm not one of those who can agree with your statement... because it's a technical wrong affermation from outset by my point of view... My focus it's only the question of graphic "game" engine used (and I can understand who played only on consoles with vanilla pes2021 gameplay)
Gameplay's behaviour variations don't depend on the PS2 era game and their graphic engine but only by the gameplay parameters used ... even PES2021 can have completely different situations if you apply different game mods on PC (it's not true that they're all the same and nothing changes)...
Meanwhile, the eFootball graphic engine is rubbish because it has been choosen (castrating the last pes2021 game) literally in order to adapt it to mobile phones and online gaming and to facilitate cross-platform play later on, precisely for online gaming with a free engine without investments by konami
Sincerely every time I play pes 2021 (on PC with gameplays mods and not with vanilla gameplay that was not good) It is no longer possible for me to go back to playing PS2-era games and their 8-direction graphics engines. I open them every now and then just out of pure nostalgia, but boredom overwhelms me almost immediately, and even though I was a big fan of them at the time, now looking back and saying that I enjoy them more than I do now with the gameplay mods on PES 2021 would be something I would find completely untrue... but the world is beautiful because it is diverse...
Let's be clear, I've been playing since the PS1 era, when I already loved the first Winning Eleven games, and I've played all the Konami games as well as being a modder since 2003 on PC, But my tastes have evolved along with the game over time, and I've never looked back...
Often, I had to relearn how to play with each new game of new generation, and the learning curve became more difficult, but I can never say that I prefer the old graphics engines to the latest Fox Engine of PES 2021 just because there was gameplay variability at the time, because, I repeat, it does not depend at all on outdated engines with players running on 8-direction tracks but only by parameters by konami developer in their gameplays
When I finally (in 2025) managed to get a PC that allowed me to play PES 2021 (before that I only had an old laptop where I had stopped at PES 2017), and I saw the gameplay of PES 2021, it motivated me to devote myself to modding the gameplay itself.... Vanilla one was disgusting for me... while in my opinion, the graphics engine is still the best engine available for current football games on the market.
So, I can only understand why someone who doesn't have a PC with PES 2021 modded might still prefer certain old games, because the vanilla gameplay is actually sickening for sure...but it's not the graphic engine the point
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@Energia , like you, I'm playing since the PS1 days, ISS Pro 98 to be exact. Over the years I have tried to enjoy newer PES/FIFA games MULTIPLE times. I just can't. PES2021 modded, unmodded, whatever, does not feel right to me. And boy have I tried, I have tried to play for months straight.
Your mods for PES2021 change the gameplay A LOT for sure, I have tried multiple ones and I use them, but there is only so much even you can do without having the source code. The core pes2021 game is always there, and I just don't like it in it's core.
Only FIFA16 is somewhat acceptable to me from the newer games, and only the version 1.00, but I get frustrated with the game with mathematical precision every time I try to seriously play.
Yes, players run in 8-direction tracks in PS2 PES, so what? I like it and prefer it from whatever it is they made in the last 20(!) years. Maybe I'm just getting old.
That said, I'm not trying to convince anyone, but it's not just gameplay parameters. The term engine was used before, it's a game engine, not only a graphic engine. Instructions translate differently between different architectures, hell even KONAMI could not have a 100% 1-1 game between PS2 and PC due to completely different architectures.
It's good that we have multiple options so that anyone can choose what they prefer.
Also, @niceplay89, what good does ChatGPT has to offer to this discussion? I go to a forum to escape from the contrastive compression, stylistic framing and punchlines it constantly uses and has taken over the internet.
This is a quote I just love nowadays:
- "If you don’t care enough to write it, I don’t care enough to read it"
The second I identify that a post was written with AI I lose all interest and immediately stop reading. That said, I am sure I am missing more and more ai writing and I have a small base level of paranoia now when online.
Your mods for PES2021 change the gameplay A LOT for sure, I have tried multiple ones and I use them, but there is only so much even you can do without having the source code. The core pes2021 game is always there, and I just don't like it in it's core.
Only FIFA16 is somewhat acceptable to me from the newer games, and only the version 1.00, but I get frustrated with the game with mathematical precision every time I try to seriously play.
Yes, players run in 8-direction tracks in PS2 PES, so what? I like it and prefer it from whatever it is they made in the last 20(!) years. Maybe I'm just getting old.
That said, I'm not trying to convince anyone, but it's not just gameplay parameters. The term engine was used before, it's a game engine, not only a graphic engine. Instructions translate differently between different architectures, hell even KONAMI could not have a 100% 1-1 game between PS2 and PC due to completely different architectures.
It's good that we have multiple options so that anyone can choose what they prefer.
Also, @niceplay89, what good does ChatGPT has to offer to this discussion? I go to a forum to escape from the contrastive compression, stylistic framing and punchlines it constantly uses and has taken over the internet.
This is a quote I just love nowadays:
- "If you don’t care enough to write it, I don’t care enough to read it"
The second I identify that a post was written with AI I lose all interest and immediately stop reading. That said, I am sure I am missing more and more ai writing and I have a small base level of paranoia now when online.
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Energia
Champions League
- 22 December 2003
Which of my retro pes mods “Back To The Past” for pes2021 with old gameplay parameters did you liked more?
Yes, you're right, it's a graphics and game engine, but my statements remain the same... simply because certain parameters change significantly even there in certain situations. Sometimes, just only a minor parameter change is enough to fully reinvent the game engine's response.Yes, players run in 8-direction tracks in PS2 PES, so what? I like it and prefer it from whatever it is they made in the last 20(!) years. Maybe I'm just getting old.
That said, I'm not trying to convince anyone, but it's not just gameplay parameters. The term engine was used before, it's a game engine, not only a graphic engine. Instructions translate differently between different architectures, hell even KONAMI could not have a 100% 1-1 game between PS2 and PC due to completely different architectures.
As I said the world is beutifull because is various
But I think your is nostalgia effects... you was 20 years younger and all the world was more beatifull...
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I liked WE2002 one, it was a nice change of pace for PES21, and I enjoyed a lot PES4 and PES6. But still, there is something in this game in general, it is just..heavy in everything - even with higher speed settings. Camera transitions slow and I hate it - tried mods - nothing fixes what annoys me (when you pass and the camera is stuck in the passer for a while before moving). And the general way of passing, shooting, etc. It is just not for me.
How the whole game industry managed to do this I don't know. With 8 directions, and old tech, PES PS2 games felt so much more random in shooting and crossing and passing etc than games with multiple times the budget and expertise. It's really impressive. If you said to me in 2006 that in 20 years we won't have an unanimously accepted better game than what he had then, I would say you are crazy, but here we are.
How the whole game industry managed to do this I don't know. With 8 directions, and old tech, PES PS2 games felt so much more random in shooting and crossing and passing etc than games with multiple times the budget and expertise. It's really impressive. If you said to me in 2006 that in 20 years we won't have an unanimously accepted better game than what he had then, I would say you are crazy, but here we are.
Energia
Champions League
- 22 December 2003
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I'll give this a go, thanks!
- 15 July 2003
Generally speaking I can't be arsed with the comparison of games because it's no longer standing in Electronics Boutique with my saved-up pocket money with a big call to make. Nobody needs to know my opinion as most people in a position to read them are in a position to download and try all the games themselves, or to watch footage that could tell them more than my words ever could.
But I will always remark on this line of argument, and downplay the role of nostalgia. People are still playing these older games and forming opinions based on direct comparisons. I wish playing PES3, for example, would allow me to eat Coco Pops for breakfast at 11am, but I actually just play it because it's still sensational, even at an age where my leisure time has been decimated!
But I think your is nostalgia effects... you was 20 years younger and all the world was more beatifull...
But I will always remark on this line of argument, and downplay the role of nostalgia. People are still playing these older games and forming opinions based on direct comparisons. I wish playing PES3, for example, would allow me to eat Coco Pops for breakfast at 11am, but I actually just play it because it's still sensational, even at an age where my leisure time has been decimated!
Energia
Champions League
- 22 December 2003
Of course... and personally can I say that I can no longer play it, now that I have the modified PES 2021 alternative, and the countless things that can now be done with 360° gamepads compared to back then?
But if I immerse myself in nostalgia (only applies to me), with some friends from back then, it's likely that I too would find a way to enjoy it again...
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Energia
Champions League
- 22 December 2003
This is my camera with my Back To The Past Winning Eleven '97 gameplay (goal by CPU):
and below with a more common camera use, you can compare my "Back To The Past Winning Eleven 8 Liveware evolution" gameplay for Football Life 2026 PC, with the original one for PS2:
Football Life 2026 BTTP-WE8LE gameplay (Real Madrid used by CPU)
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- 15 July 2003
Of course... and personally I can say that I can no longer play it, now that I have the modified PES 2021 alternative, and the countless things that can now be done with 360° gamepads compared to back then?
But if I immerse myself in nostalgia (only applies to me), with some friends from back then, it's likely that I too would find a way to enjoy it again...
That's fair enough, if you can recognise that in yourself!
robertob
Non-League
- 12 October 2023
Everyone plays what they enjoy, for whatever reason it is. And that's totally fine. The choice we have is unparalleled.
Personally the next gen games never enticed me at all. I find them pretty boring and the supposedly better graphics do nothing for my personal immersion in these games. No matter what game from PS3 upward to the newest versions: I always find the way players move, the flow of the game or the ball physics provide - for lack of better words - "alien" or "plastic" feeling - some games more so than others.
Sure, they look better and more 'real', but the feel isn't real. Which is totally fine for me: I want to play a game not a simulation, otherwise I can go outside an kick a ball myself. But if a games looks so 'real' and pretends to be a simulation, then it creates the expectation that it should 'feel' real indeed.
And that's a fundamental difference to PS2 PES: they look like a game, they play like a game and all they pretend to be is to be a game - and that's exactly why they're fun.
Going back to PS2 titles, I find myself immersed in these games, in the flow, the tackling's, the shots, the random things that happen - some times imagination is required to make up for graphical shortcomings, perhaps that's the reason these games somehow 'feel' much more "like football". Yet I don't need great graphics. I want to enjoy a game once in a while, so I pull out PES4/5/6/2011/2013 - not for nostalgic reasons, but simply because they offer me an enjoyment in football gaming that is not achieved by modern games. In my world these games have aged incredibly well.
Each to their own though - I'm a dinosaur now, anyways. I struggle with modern football in general, so no surprise I struggle with these modern football games.
Personally the next gen games never enticed me at all. I find them pretty boring and the supposedly better graphics do nothing for my personal immersion in these games. No matter what game from PS3 upward to the newest versions: I always find the way players move, the flow of the game or the ball physics provide - for lack of better words - "alien" or "plastic" feeling - some games more so than others.
Sure, they look better and more 'real', but the feel isn't real. Which is totally fine for me: I want to play a game not a simulation, otherwise I can go outside an kick a ball myself. But if a games looks so 'real' and pretends to be a simulation, then it creates the expectation that it should 'feel' real indeed.
And that's a fundamental difference to PS2 PES: they look like a game, they play like a game and all they pretend to be is to be a game - and that's exactly why they're fun.
Going back to PS2 titles, I find myself immersed in these games, in the flow, the tackling's, the shots, the random things that happen - some times imagination is required to make up for graphical shortcomings, perhaps that's the reason these games somehow 'feel' much more "like football". Yet I don't need great graphics. I want to enjoy a game once in a while, so I pull out PES4/5/6/2011/2013 - not for nostalgic reasons, but simply because they offer me an enjoyment in football gaming that is not achieved by modern games. In my world these games have aged incredibly well.
Each to their own though - I'm a dinosaur now, anyways. I struggle with modern football in general, so no surprise I struggle with these modern football games.
PES4eva
[Best 7] [Cantona 7] [Beckham 7] [Ronaldo 7]
- 1 June 2023
- Team
- Manchester United
Very true about opinions. I tend to find that with PES and Winning Eleven I go for the ones that seem more fun over realism or how good the AI is. There would have been a time where I would look for a challenging experience but these days I just want to be entertained by what I'm playing. I've probably mentioned it quite a few times on here already but I really like WE2002 on the PS1 and on the PS2 I like WE6FE, WE7i and PES 2008 or WE2008. So id say they are my favourites for various reasons.
0.9 speed setting does the trick for me
robertob
Non-League
- 12 October 2023
Makes total sense, and it's the same for me, that's why I do stick with the PS2 era of PES games, as opposed to the next gen games. As alluded in a different post earlier today, the forced realism of the newer games makes the gaming experience feel 'plastic' to me and not particularly fun. Yet I can pull out most of the PS2 PES titles and have a blast, fully immersed, knowing they look, feel and play like a game because they don't pretend to be anything more than a game.
It's PES 2011 I simply have the most fun with these days, but I can pull out PES 4 or PES5/WE9LE and equally enjoy a tournament when time allows to get away from the world and immersed in the world of football gaming.
PES4eva
[Best 7] [Cantona 7] [Beckham 7] [Ronaldo 7]
- 1 June 2023
- Team
- Manchester United
The last "new" football game I played was EA FC 23 I think and purely bought it because I felt like playing a new football game and if I'm honest, their advertising campaign for it got me interested, not that I liked admitting that 😄 and that was pretty much my only option (that I knew of) I never liked the idea of Efootball and didn't want to support what seems like a pay to win mobile style game to me. Anyway I bought EA FC in good faith and slowly realised the mode that looked interesting to me (Ultimate team) was also geared towards you spending real money. Not that you can't play it without real money but it's definitely geared towards separate purchases. Anyway I ended up ditching that and paying career mode. It was ok but I felt it became stale very quickly and just didn't have any soul or feeling that we get with classic PES. It will be the one and only EA FC game that I will ever buy. I have seen you mentioning PES 4 a lot. That's one that I would put lower in the list of greats but ironically I'd put WE8LE quite high on the list. It's amazing what a slight tweak in gameplay can do. You probably already know about every single WE/PES game like most people here but if you've not played WE8LE then you should try that, you may prefer it over PES4/WE8.
Energia
Champions League
- 22 December 2003
yeah WE8LE was very funny
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- 24 September 2024
3ds version got the 360 degree movement, particularly because it was the "3D" version so the BAL view (behind each player, but following the ball) was, for them, THE way to play the game.
But you can play with a normal cam, and it's the old engine and the game can move in 360 degree...
Now i'll be honest, it's not a game changer at all, more an amusing feature, as all the rest didn't seems to be affected whatever you're making a shot or a pass with your player in front but 15 degree from one or the other side.
It's the only old version you can found with 360 degree movement with the 2 others on 3DS. (And yes sorry you're right @FC Bayern , i got in had the J1+J2 on an handheld console (there's even 2 times the league, i don't get why perhaps 2013 version and 2014 edition as their calendar are different? Never checked, well i don't care just asking myself haha)
There's 32 directions in PES 2011 PC/PS3 But it's a game changer for real, all the algorithm are affected. And even more direction in 2012/2013 which can go in every direction you can with an analog stick... But on the big line, i found PES 2011 even with that "lack of direction" (still more than PS2 version) got a more solid basis and feel made to be the more original of the 3 Ps3 special version. Everything feels more solid as there's less directions to handle, sometimes too much freedom if it's not so very well handled can transform you game in a chaos or they modify some stuff to be more playable but less realistic/footballistic simply.
More isn't always better.
- 24 September 2024
Perhaps the funnier with WE6Fe, but the more realistic in terms of tactics was WE9 (the only one with JLWE2008 where's there's a lot of interceptions, but on purpose not because the player pass was bad)
@Energia i agree with your disagreement (lol) as there's, not only for PES 2021 but also 2019, 2020 before the last messing'up patch and 2017 even if i replayed it and it feel way too direct and easy (a tiny bit of Fifa) as they can reproduce tons of situations but the difference i got with your point of view is that i feel the old version and the current version as two different approach, i was like you before : couldn't got and replay even PES5 as all feeled too rigid in comparison, from my eyes.
But i was wrong. It was just my own perception, now i can switch from Pes 2012 Ps3 To WE7 then launching 2021 after. It's all versus gaming, and i love versus, big fan of old-new fighting games.
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Now i can take all his arguments "rose tinted" and reply them like i take randomly "Patient build up" where PS2 version where super dynamic in comparison, so you need to think smart and quick, and "1vs1 creativity" where i found it hard to overlap a defender in PES 2019-21 than of course in Pes 6 (by miles) as you can create much more variety of dribble in 360 degree and Strengh + speed matters less, defenders are more agressive especially on the very last 2021 version. But it doesn't seems our friend played a lot those current-gen versions.
O.T. for Fighting games fans, as there's no fighting game thread and i think it could made a big flop haha
I was pretty sad as a KOF fans about their release for example : graphically they should have used Arc System Work as the characters always looked like a manga.
Street Fighter since the V make me thinks of Nintendo : the game "name and reputation" makes them launch with 80 euros with 12 character, and you have to spend tons of Season pack or/and extra character who are very important in SF history with a demesured price... They're stellers to me, launching an half finished game at that price it's not better than EFootball or Fifa in terms of contents.
And the one reboot game i'm really disappointed is Samurai Shodown reception. The game is as fun as the old version and very good (rated high in every website, even more than KOF), graphisms fits better as players looked more goofy and less like a serious realistic manga as KOF, and it didn't get what he deserves at all. I searched online when i brought it and never found an opponent
Well except the 1st, we didn't got all the versions out on Neo Geo + PS2 in occident, it wasn't , 7 sequels, the 2 is like the 1st with better character, the 3 is a banger etc.
And the 2 last game you got a lot for your money are firstly Tekken 7 or 8 whatever, and Mortal Kombat. There's content, all big players (not like SFV or 6), history mode, also Arcade mode with an ending for every character (for MK at least), and when i talk about mode there's also some alternative to the usual 1v1 online usual games.
Street Fighter since the V make me thinks of Nintendo : the game "name and reputation" makes them launch with 80 euros with 12 character, and you have to spend tons of Season pack or/and extra character who are very important in SF history with a demesured price... They're stellers to me, launching an half finished game at that price it's not better than EFootball or Fifa in terms of contents.
And the one reboot game i'm really disappointed is Samurai Shodown reception. The game is as fun as the old version and very good (rated high in every website, even more than KOF), graphisms fits better as players looked more goofy and less like a serious realistic manga as KOF, and it didn't get what he deserves at all. I searched online when i brought it and never found an opponent
Well except the 1st, we didn't got all the versions out on Neo Geo + PS2 in occident, it wasn't , 7 sequels, the 2 is like the 1st with better character, the 3 is a banger etc.
And the 2 last game you got a lot for your money are firstly Tekken 7 or 8 whatever, and Mortal Kombat. There's content, all big players (not like SFV or 6), history mode, also Arcade mode with an ending for every character (for MK at least), and when i talk about mode there's also some alternative to the usual 1v1 online usual games.
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Energia
Champions League
- 22 December 2003
I have never loved fighting games.
Only Pro EVOLUTION soccer... So I always followed the "Evolution" of the game without any regrets for the past games , but only nostalgia when I restart some of them - 24 September 2024
I know there's not a lot of old boomer who still like 1VS1 games especially here, but i grown up with it, even before i got a real passion when i played ISS Pro Evo with a friend.I have never loved fighting games.
I also overpassed the 2011-2013 evolution as Fifa was more advanced technically, also it was online democratisation (the good, before F2P shitty games and obvious scripts)...
But replaying both, not "footballistically", in those terms i found those old PS2,5 engine PES much more advanced and perhaps the ones with the more freedom creativity of the series : i simply got much more fun to replay those ones than the same Fifa against CPU.
While when i retry old Fifa, i don't feel that flow of variety, it's pretty straight tactically, except the 11 on PS3, well the 14 got less the same issue on PS4, i don't know why.
My favourite version. As PES 2021 is my favourite football game current-gen and perhaps above all other foot games, and WE2008 - JLWE2008 from old-gen.
Hi Energia,
I tested the 2020 demo mod with the pes2006 Redux mod for the steam version of Pes21. Compared to the experience i had with the original pes2020 demo, the mod felt a little more fast paced and hectic. Therefore i am wondering if i didn't install the mod properly. I deleted the systemooo file and replaced exe file with the one provided in your download file. Should i place the deg1_all.cpk -file and deg2_all.cpk -file, that come with the mod in the data folder or can i ignore them. Thanks in advance
I tested the 2020 demo mod with the pes2006 Redux mod for the steam version of Pes21. Compared to the experience i had with the original pes2020 demo, the mod felt a little more fast paced and hectic. Therefore i am wondering if i didn't install the mod properly. I deleted the systemooo file and replaced exe file with the one provided in your download file. Should i place the deg1_all.cpk -file and deg2_all.cpk -file, that come with the mod in the data folder or can i ignore them. Thanks in advance
Energia
Champions League
- 22 December 2003
you need to insert them if are in the archive I released at the time
NOTE: speed in game can change match by match cause different factors used by game ... like season, grass lenght, stadium, type of match and league etc... However remember Konami always have in their pes a menù where you can choose your speed in game between various sets...
Remember on 2019 Konami released two PES2020 demos... the more appreciates by fans was the first one showned for E3 of Los Angeles in june 2019... the second demo released one or two months (august of sept. 2019) later ruined the impressions of first one which was followed by the full game, much to the disappointment of fans who had loved the first demo.
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robertob
Non-League
- 12 October 2023
Fully agreed, the modern games with their micro transactions, loot boxes etc. are repulsive, and the actual gameplay not a lot of fun, in my view.
Re PES4: it seems not many rate it, it's certainly one not often mentioned in the conversation as one of the great ones. Personally I think it's totally underrated and undervalued. I simply love the pace and intensity of PES4. Each game (on 6*) feels like a proper war, with the flow and intensity keeping me on the edge; you got to have a clear plan, know your players, think ahead of your moves to score and win. It's so in your face, even with all the limitations the game has compared to modern games, it's simply brilliant and stands the test of time to this day. It's addictive. Also it's the last PES game that included my boyhood club (Hansa Rostock aka "Mecklenburg" in PES4; relegated and never came up again).
Re WE8LE: agreed, superb PES game. Love it, play it, especially with the Reeefur patch, it's super atmospheric. A wonderful hybrid of PES4 and PES5. I probably rate the next one, WE9LE a bit higher, it plays more tight (and a lot better than PES5, certainly in single player). But both rank for me personally behind PES4. It's intensity coupled with so many things that make PES football games so much fun is unparalleled in any football game. But then again: game of opinions.
This might be a stupid question but is deg1 for the gameplay parameters of the the first 2020demo and deg2 for the second demo? I'm asking this because, under the mods you posted i could not find two seperate 2020demos for the respective versions.