no you need to use both with the only one PES2020 demo gameplay for pes2021 you found on my thread
Put both inside your data folder and don't think to them anymore.... I ported only the best demo gameplay of PES2020
You can see that from the database on each game, JLWE has difference in lineups and player stats compared to WE ASnC
using the search button (setting it on this thread) it can be useful to help you find what you want :
I admit I haven't been playing pes21 for that long, but I have found recurring issues in pretty much every gp mod I tried in the last few months: too much counter-attacking, loose markings, unsatisfying shooting mechanics, annoying patterns from the cpu (above all, stricker shields the ball, turns and scores...I hate it), broken free kicks, bad card management from the referee, etc.Don't be angry with me,
My focus it's only the question of graphic "game" engine used (and I can understand who played only on consoles with vanilla pes2021 gameplay)
Gameplay's behaviour variations don't depend on the PS2 era game and their graphic engine but only by the gameplay parameters used ... even PES2021 can have completely different situations if you apply different game mods on PC (it's not true that they're all the same and nothing changes)...
Meanwhile, the eFootball graphic engine is rubbish because it has been choosen (castrating the last pes2021 game) literally in order to adapt it to mobile phones and online gaming and to facilitate cross-platform play later on, precisely for online gaming with a free engine without investments by konami
Sincerely every time I play pes 2021 (on PC with gameplays mods and not with vanilla gameplay that was not good) It is no longer possible for me to go back to playing PS2-era games and their 8-direction graphics engines. I open them every now and then just out of pure nostalgia, but boredom overwhelms me almost immediately, and even though I was a big fan of them at the time, now looking back and saying that I enjoy them more than I do now with the gameplay mods on PES 2021 would be something I would find completely untrue... but the world is beautiful because it is diverse...
Let's be clear, I've been playing since the PS1 era, when I already loved the first Winning Eleven games, and I've played all the Konami games as well as being a modder since 2003 on PC, But my tastes have evolved along with the game over time, and I've never looked back...
Often, I had to relearn how to play with each new game of new generation, and the learning curve became more difficult, but I can never say that I prefer the old graphics engines to the latest Fox Engine of PES 2021 just because there was gameplay variability at the time, because, I repeat, it does not depend at all on outdated engines with players running on 8-direction tracks but only by parameters by konami developer in their gameplays
When I finally (in 2025) managed to get a PC that allowed me to play PES 2021 (before that I only had an old laptop where I had stopped at PES 2017), and I saw the gameplay of PES 2021, it motivated me to devote myself to modding the gameplay itself.... Vanilla one was disgusting for me... while in my opinion, the graphics engine is still the best engine available for current football games on the market.
So, I can only understand why someone who doesn't have a PC with PES 2021 modded might still prefer certain old games, because the vanilla gameplay is actually sickening for sure...but it's not the graphic engine the point
Honestly, there is no any "excellent physics" in PES 2020 and PES 2021.
In my opinion, PES21 ball physics are second to none. Players' physics make you feel the inertia (sometimes too much, lol), whereas in the vast majority of football games (old and new) players can turn far too easily
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but i got very high standard regarding database.There's no match with Ps2 versions, and it's probably the one with the most accurate algorithms since FIFA 14.
Guys, i'm currently tried to copy my Pes 2008 US OF to WE 2008 database, of course i took in account the Japanese players in more.
So i managed to "base copy" all the players i modified over the DB files (unammed_74 decrypted so unammed_74_000) and it was a success.
But now, i'm struggling to found how (and where) from the decrypted option file i could copy and paste, from my decrypted OF, all player's registration and team informations.
I can't found ABSOLUTELY NOTHING from the decrypted option file, in any decrypted "unammed.bin" AFS files, which looks similar to the hexadecimal stuffs with the "yyyyyy" (if you know what i mean, it seems to be teams infos) and i checked since a week on every AFS.
I try to do it myself but that's too complicated for me and i don't want a combo iso + OF, that's make the stuff unprofessionnal a bit.
The version i'm making will resolve a total of 4 annoying things you have with all versions post Pes5 and with "Others C", but almost on every patch which break a bit the games modes and immersion. I'll put it in a spoiler or no one will read that post and i need help to provide you something serious, not for me only
- I've found a version with assigned switched real kits to got Premier League with real template (i got no idea how to "exchange" kits like taking Anderlecht kits and assigning it for Arsenal/Then modify Anderlecht kits)
-The Kitslayers gives much betters results than OF as it's litterally a kit design modded for a team : like for Brugge you got a big DEXIA + Adidas as a first design, and you compile 2 or 3 design togheter you got the real kit (sometimes a bit more pixelated than a real template, but much better than an O.F. overall). I own ALL kitslayers for Bundes and Others Euro/American teams, i just got to assemble them together and gives good colors from Konami's standard, not too shiny etc.
-The most important thing at least to me : i know how to transform a fake OTHERS C players market value into a real one, it's quite easy : when you Zlib the main DataBase "unnamed" file from 0_TEXT, all players market values are located on the very latest "unZlibed" file, and on Hexadecimal (always with thoses files) players are ranked by ID. So i know which player i took to replace for updating transfers aswell as all Others C players (their value are 00 00 in hexadecimal... They're the only ones got it)
-And lately : i've found all names for unplayables NT i just have to assign them and correct some height/weight not available in 2007 when the game was out. I love playing with Nations for cups, but i hate fakes names and those teams are on every cup modes.... Some are even stronger than IG teams lol but that's another story, but just for the info it tooks me 2 months to found them (not searching everyday but sometimes yes, it was a full week of research)
In brief, if somoene explain to me (in PM if he wants) how to convert what i got in an O.F. into AFS files, that's what i need.
BUT i need to do it twice : 1st for Data and players, 2nd when i will rebuild kits with the system mentionned in the spoiler.
Thanks in advance. It's ain't bullshit : WE2008 and JLWE2008CC will probably be the only and last old games i will play for the rest of my life. ATM i worked a bit too much on PES5 and played it : i'm in overdose (when you try to restore every single IG faces
My third choice as i love that season and used to love the game before i've got the impression that make the turn of it and we knows it since 22 years so...
I can't play neither Pes 2008, it's a bit too fast, WE2008 is more acceptable and JL2008 perfect, but not a patch got what i want (at least all transfers done with Konami's standard stats like i do).
Mate, I was liked to play in PES 2020 and PES 2021 and even think "that this games are cool" and have many saved goals and etc, much time spended, while playing online games.
most of my "Back To the Past"mods for pes2021 PC, are with my my antiscript patch inside the exe.... so when you play ML you have the sensation to play without the obvious frustrating cheats of vanilla gameplay... I basically levelled out the most frustrating script, which is what Konami called “team spirit” in its dynamic difficulty algorithm... it's what ruins the gameplay the most... other things regarding Dinamic difficulty script, are still necessary in ML to make the game competitive, but without the frustration of that script fellings with gameplay is fully changed also during ML matches that are now more and more funny
No prob mate, and i clearly feel and see vids of "scripts" in Fifa but personnally i don't found it that obvious on PES 2021 at least regarding the physics "transformation".
it's a way like another to pump up the difficulty, and it exist since Ps2 I believe, but yes for some it could be frustrating /what i call really frustrating to me is more the bad scripts i mentionned, where you're can't do anything but watch.I HATE seeing adjusted stats, or that way to change gameplay lol. I could answer "but WE2008 with even more decreased speed stats is even slower", that would be endless
I worked only in the part of dinamic difficulty that changes your gameplay and commands... Now on my gameplay you can move how you prefere ad not more changed or limited by CPU' AI (I can't immagine that you love you can't use the movements you want because limited for convenience by AI)Edit @Energia
That's exactly what i was writing about lol, but i love it personnallyI basically levelled out the most frustrating script, which is what Konami called “team spirit” in its dynamic difficulty algorithm...
With that difficulty boost (i don't call it a real "script" in the bad sense as we're talking here but just an algorithm) at least you're still master of your own controls and what you're doing.
BUT it's a nice thing that you've found their difficulty system and get a way to change it. It's the first time i read exactly what i feel about what people calls script (to me it's part of the "casual" script, no cheating script like i read about EFootball)
Congrats @Energia for putting your finger on something that hidden, it's also the first time i read about the "real script" of Pes 21 💪
And yes bro of course, we all share our point of views as mates, feelings, regarding our personnal experiments and how we see the game. Then, no one plays the same way so we don't have the same experiences on the middle-long term.
on pes 2021 during ML it's a classic... depend by dinamic difficulty during the carrer's season (team spirit in the various matches)
It's probably like they hidden the players "morale" you got in older version such as Pes 2019 then. I liked it (i mean team spirit feel something realistic... But the team is you in the same time, don't know what to feel, that was kinda logic like the Mentality stats on Ps2. But like i said before You are the "Mentalist" when you loose or win, the Cpu can't decrease or increase anything. It was the same in fact, stats deterioration due to physical condition handling all the stats decreasing faster.
